notesnook VS CrossLine

The home page title has the word zero knowledge, I guess?

Their GitHub has slightly more info regarding this, but I agree that stuff like this should have at least a page dedicated for it that explains how they've implemented their security.

> Notesnook is a free (as in speech) & open-source note-taking app focused on user privacy & ease of use. To ensure zero knowledge principles, Notesnook encrypts everything on your device using XChaCha20-Poly1305 & Argon2.

https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook

Notesnook - Just like EN but Private and Secure

Notesnook - Private notes app (version 1050634): A fully open source & end-to-end encrypted note taking app

or Notesnook[1], which is also open-source, and E2E. I find it better and more reliable than SN.

[1] https://notesnook.com [2] https://github.com/streetwriters/notesnook

We have been using Tiptap in production for more than a year in Notesnook[0]. Glad to see it finally launching here on HN!

We have had quite a long and rough ride in search of a stable rich text editor. We began with Quill.js then migrated to TinyMCE and then finally settled on Prosemirror. Unfortunately, contenteditable is still absolutely horrible on web browsers, especially mobile ones.

Tiptap is a good choice if you are looking for a framework agnostic and thin abstraction over Prosemirror. However, if you are primarily working with React you should go with Remirror[1]. Tiptap's APIs are heavily inspired by Remirror (almost a duplicate in some places). Remirror takes the edge on the maturity and stability of the API and extensions. The sheer number of utilities offered by them to simplify Prosemirror's APIs is astounding.

In the end, though, its Prosemirror that's doing all the heavy lifting. And no matter how many abstractions you put on it, you will have to get really, really close in with Prosemirror's internals. Tiptap or Remirror do not make that any easier or harder aside from the initial bootstrapping.

[0] https://notesnook.com

[1] https://remirror.io

Perhaps poster was thinking of https://notesnook.com?

Their pitch is as a privacy focused notes manager.

Even though Evernote is a competitor, it's still sad to see such a giant in the note-taking space go down so badly. Of course, I am still skeptical about this news and whether its actually true since no source has been linked.

Aside:

I work (and lead the development) on Notesnook, an end-to-end encrypted, open source alternative to Evernote. Since we are based in Pakistan, our pricing has been really competitive at just $4.49/mo (compared to $17.99/mo of Evernote). And best of all, we have one of the best Evernote Importers around: https://importer.notesnook.com/

If you'd like to learn more about Notesnook: https://notesnook.com/

Feel free to ask me any and all questions!

I use CrossLine (https://github.com/rochus-keller/CrossLine) for all my projects (some really big and complex) since 14 years, as a notebook for facts, minutes, results, action items and whatever unstructured information drops in during a project or daily life; I even use it for requirements management and specification development.

Transclusion is a very good idea from my point of view. I saw and used it in Ivar Jacobson's Objectory tool and eventually also implemented it in my CrossLine and other tools (see https://github.com/rochus-keller/CrossLine, https://github.com/rochus-keller/FlowLine2/, etc.).

Depends on the job and available typing skills; when I do requirements elucidation I usually just write down everything the stakeholders are telling including the questions; I use https://github.com/rochus-keller/CrossLine which lets me structure the text on the fly; after the session I do different summaries which either reference or transclude the outline items generated during the sessions. Also during design meetings I usually write down everything which is easier and almost an automatic process.

Interesting article. When I implemented the no-sql database using the sqlite backend 15 years ago (for https://github.com/rochus-keller/DoorScope and https://github.com/rochus-keller/CrossLine) there was little literature about it (section 9 of https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Guide-SQLite-Experts-Sourc... was helpful). There was no lmdb or leveldb yet; though there was bekreley db and I did prototypes with it, but the sqlite backend turned out to be much leaner and faster for the task at hand.

Have a look at https://github.com/rochus-keller/crossline/, an open source cross-platform outliner with true transclusion; it's very fast also with big outlines.

Interesting text. But by the end of the day I think it is quite subjective how people optimally capture their thoughts and ideas. I spent many years doing research to find an optimal tool. Netmanage Ecco worked very well for me, but had some limitations - interestingly some which also the referenced article considers important. Other people were fan of completely different tools which I couldn't get much out of (and vice versa). Finally I implemented my own tool (not for the first time) ten years ago which I'm successfully using since then (https://github.com/rochus-keller/crossline/). It looks certainly old fashioned to younger people, but I'm very efficient with it because I can talk to people and record/organize the discussion at the same time without moving my hands away from the keyboard (what helps me to focus on the topic and counterparts and not to be distracted by handling the tool). If I assess my approach with the "Principles of incremental notes" it looks like a good match. Point 1 is met by efficient shortcuts and capturing information in context due to outlining approach. Point 4 is met in that each outline is automatically added to a history list; of course I can organize outlines in that some outlines are used as directories, and there is also a full text search; I agree that I very often rediscover notes from the history context. Point 2 is met in that I can consolidate notes from old ones without copying, i.e. I just take the items from different outlines I want and put them together in a new outline without losing the link to the original context; much more to say. And yes, I carry a small laptop with me wherever I go; it has a good keyboard on which I can type faster than people usually talk. Doesn't work with a smartphone.

Can you be more specific? Your current requirements can be met by a simple text editor. Should it run on a smart phone or on the desktop/laptop? Personally I use this application for many years: https://github.com/rochus-keller/crossline/.

Well, org-mode obviously has very powerful features; but I am rather avoiding Emacs and prefer my https://github.com/rochus-keller/CrossLine for note taking and information management; I can already generate navigable HTML pages for hand-out and I intend to implement an Asciidoc and LuaTeX export too.