nih-plug VS Rocket

Super cool. Any experience doing audio/synthesis/DSP work with this in a Flutter app? It would be particularly awesome if this enabled building VST plugins with Flutter and one of the Rust crates for VSTs (like NIH-plug or similar).

Looks nice! Rust really is a perfect fit for real-time audio software. At work we also use cpal for audio output, and has found some bugs as well. In my free time I'm tinkering with CLAP plugins for Bitwig, your app looks quite similar to Bitwig Grid which I like a lot. Maybe providing it as a plugin would be a future option.

I don't think Max4Live is not a good choice for building audio plugins. It's a weird platform that was designed for 'institutionalized academic music,' as I once read someone describe it. It's difficult to program in and not efficient. None of my favorite music software is made with it. It's also quite buggy, in my experience. For doing some basic extensions to Ableton Live specifically, beyond what VST allows access to, it's OK, since it's the only official way to do so.

If you want to just dive into DSP using wires and boxes, with some additional code sprinkled in, SynthEdit or Reaktor Core are faster, more fun, and produce better results. If you don't mind C++, check out iPlug from REAPER's WDL codebase: https://www.cockos.com/wdl/ — there are some forks of it.

There's also JUCE. You'll find some people complain about it and some people regret using it, despite it being relatively popular.

There are some Rust things for doing VST (and AU) development. Here's one that I've seen a few things made with: https://github.com/robbert-vdh/nih-plug/tree/master I wouldn't worry too much about the differences between C++ and Rust in this world. Audio software tends to be buggy, so the bar for being considered 'good enough' is pretty low.

There’s nih-plug for VST and CLAP plugins

As it's written in Rust, perhaps it could be implemented as a CLAP plugin. This is a nice framework I've been playing with https://github.com/robbert-vdh/nih-plug/

The potential is both in terms of moving away from proprietary corporate-controlled standards (but also still providing shared wrappers to support those "legacy" :) audio plugin formats) and supporting Rust as a first class development language (via e.g. https://github.com/robbert-vdh/nih-plug).

Yep, Steinberg licensing sucks. I suggest you use nih-plug, it has a much nicer Rust API and supports generating both VST3 and CLAP plugins from your code. I'm only targetting CLAP nowadays, but unfortunately not many DAW's support it.

Your best bet is probably nih-plug.

4. Rocket

If you want something simpler/more minimal, you could use https://rocket.rs/ for the backend and handle the front-end however you want.

I’m the author of https://kellnr.io. When I started working on Kellnr three years ago, https://rocket.rs was “the web framework” to use. Unfortunately, the project seems dead. Before adding more functionality using an unmaintained framework, I want to port Kellnr to https://github.com/tokio-rs/axum.

Or else you could of course just use https://rocket.rs/

Rust is a popular system programming language, known for its robust memory safety features and exceptional performance. While Rust was originally a system programming language, its application has evolved. Now you can see Rust in different app platforms, mobile apps, and of course, in web apps — both in the frontend and backend, with frameworks like Rocket, Axum, and Actix making it even easier to build web applications with Rust.

I've done some research but I have to admit that creating embedded devices is a totally new subject for me, but that is the point of the project - main goal is learning, and creating something is the secondary goal, so please bear with me and my knowledge of the subject. So, for the hardware I've seen many people recommending SMT32 family devices, but I've also read that anything with the Cortex-M processor can be suitable. Need more info on that. OS is a hard choice for me because on one hand I was thinking of Ubuntu Core but the device support is not really that good I think, so other options I've found are Tock and RIOT-OS, and I am gravitating towards the latter because it's main focus is on IOT devices. I've found frameworks like Rocket.rs for a web app, tauri.app for desktop app (which might not be needed but I still like the idea). Also found Tokio.rs which apparently will help with the networking. There was a discussion from the other members about using the Golioth cloud platform with Zephyr and C++, and I don't know if there are any other alternatives for Golioth that support Rust, I've found webthings.io but I am not sure if it's an alternative, or something else actually, so I would be happy to learn more about that. Again I want to hear your recommendations regarding anything that will help creating a project like that.

I use Rocket on the backend with Postgres. Currently experimenting with Yew for the frontend.