msgspec VS MessagePack

Full support for validation and serialisation of attrs classes and msgspec Structs. Where previously only Pydantic models and types where supported, you can now mix and match any of these three libraries. In addition to this, adding support for another modelling library has been greatly simplified with the new plugin architecture

> Maybe it was very slow before

That is at least partly the case. I maintain msgspec[1], another Python JSON validation library. Pydantic V1 was ~100x slower at encoding/decoding/validating JSON than msgspec, which was more a testament to Pydantic's performance issues than msgspec's speed. Pydantic V2 is definitely faster than V1, but it's still ~10x slower than msgspec, and up to 2x slower than other pure-python implementations like mashumaro.

Recent benchmark here: https://gist.github.com/jcrist/d62f450594164d284fbea957fd48b...

[1]: https://github.com/jcrist/msgspec

While it's definitely much faster than pydantic V1 (which is a huge accomplishment!), it's still not exactly what I'd call "fast".

I maintain msgspec (https://github.com/jcrist/msgspec), a serialization/validation library which provides similar functionality to pydantic. Recent benchmarks of pydantic V2 against msgspec show msgspec is still 15-30x faster at JSON encoding, and 6-15x faster at JSON decoding/validating.

Benchmark (and conversation with Samuel) here: https://gist.github.com/jcrist/d62f450594164d284fbea957fd48b...

This is not to diminish the work of the pydantic team! For many users pydantic will be more than fast enough, and is definitely a more feature-filled tool. It's a good library, and people will be happy using it! But pydantic is not the only tool in this space, and rubbing some rust on it doesn't necessarily make it "fast".

https://github.com/jcrist/msgspec so I am using this instead of Pydantic.

Another thing: why pyserde rather than stuff like msgspec? https://github.com/jcrist/msgspec

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Congratulations to the team, Pydantic is an amazing library.

If you find JSON serialization/deserialization a bottleneck, another interesting library (with much less features) for Python is msgspec: https://github.com/jcrist/msgspec

This feature is yet to be released, but it will allow you to seamlessly use data modelled with for example Pydantic, SQLAlchemy, msgspec or dataclasses in your route handlers, without the need for an intermediary model; The conversion will be handled by the specific DTO "backend" implementation. This new paradigm also makes it trivial to add support for any such modelling library, by simply implementing an appropriate backend.

so appreciate such a detailed reply, thanks. btw, why did you choose tinylib/msgp from 4 available go-impls?

If you find you're running the serial connection at maximum speed and it's still not fast enough, try switching to a more compact binary encoding that has both Serde and Arduino implementations, like MsgPack... though I don't remember enough about its format off the top of my head to tell you the easiest way to put an unambiguous header on each packet/message to make the protocol self-synchronizing.

The information can be stored in a database or as files, serialized in a standard format and with a schema agreed with your Data Engineering team. Depending on your information and requirements, it can be as simple as CSV, XML or JSON, or Big Data formats such as Parquet, Avro, ORC, Arrow, or message serialization formats like Protocol Buffers, FlatBuffers, MessagePack, Thrift, or Cap'n Proto.

MessagePack Similar to JSONs, just more compact, although not as much as the ones above. Still, it's usefull to retain some readability in your messages.

I'll try that msgpack.org website.

First of all, you're comparing this to GSON and Kryo, how does it compare to Msgpack, fast-serialization, but also Elsa and I'm sure, many others? Are there any limitations and/or trade-offs?

Upvote for msgpack, one of the great undervalued message protocols available.

I have two suggestions Capnproto, MessagePack (those are only the two examples that came to mind first, i bet there are even one or two especially developed for rust). Both of these are better than json in nearly every way.

Encode messages as JSON or MessagePack.