miso VS ihp

Patching jsaddle by applying this commit made JSaddle usable in Firefox for me, but it has the downside that preventDefault/stopPropagation no longer work (see this issue for more info).

Miso does support jsaddle, docs mention this under the "Live reload with jsaddle" section, although it could be more prominent.

For those interested in DOM-related benchmarks using GHCJS. Miso has some benchmarks here: https://krausest.github.io/js-framework-benchmark/current.html (Ctrl+F `miso`)

ghcjs is the way to go for you, and soon it might be asterius. i do not know how hard it is to set ghcjs up without a framework. but frameworks like obelisk (based on reflex-dom), shpadoinkle, and miso automate that for. i personally like obelisk for its functional reactive programming but it can get awkward and get in your way. so if gui programming is just a means to the end of this one small application and you are not really interested in it nor functional reactive programming, shpadoinkle or miso might suit you better. miso implements the elm architecture (also "TEA", "functional model view controller") and shpadoinkle implements something directly equivalent to the elm architecture. but shpadoinkle achieves more composable widgets by minimalizing the elm architecture. so i recommend shpadoinkle for its better concept although miso is more mature.

via ghcjs (miso, etc.)

I've built miso, https://haskell-miso.org and it does use the VDOM appraoch. Svelte uses static analysis to compile down to the minimum number of DOM operations required to run your specific app. I think it's the future. This would only be possible in Haskell w/ GHCJS, since you'd need the GHCJS runtime to support it.

In case this got you interested in Haskell, and you want a good way to start your Haskell journey (and have something to apply the optimization handbook to), check out IHP. It's the Rails/Laravel of the Haskell world. You can start here https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/Guide/index.html or check it out on GitHub here https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp

At IHP we've been using Algora for a while now and it works really great. Here's e.g. one PR that was merged last week with a bounty attached https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/issues/1621 Everything was set up in less than 15 minutes and ioannis and zafer have been super helpful with any questions we had.

In general I think this is a good direction and an interesting take on the open question around sustainable open source. Congrats on the launch and keep up the great work! :)

You could contribute to IHP! We have some great docs to get started here https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md And we have some low hanging fruits in GitHub issues for you to get started with, e.g. https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp/issues/1601 (also there's always lots of activity in the IHP Slack, in case you have any questions/need help)

Really happy we've finally go to the 1.0 status :) If you like to take a look at the code, check our GitHub at https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp

kinda early for running roc in production perhaps, but you can try out haskell and its frameworks like ihp or some other web / mobile / multiplatform framework.

In recent years the Haskell ecosystem has drastically improved.

With Haskell Language Server (HLS) there's now great autocompletion and inline error reporting for e.g. VSCode and other editors.

We've recently got dot-notation, so you can type `myRecord.myField` instead of `myField myRecord`, which makes Haskell code feel more familiar when switching from other languages.

With IHP we now even have a Haskell version of Rails/Laravel. Check it out here: https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ (I'm founder of IHP)

Yes, it's possible to build a traditional web company with Haskell. We've made IHP exactly for that :) It's like Rails/Django but for Haskell. https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ We specifically try to be batteries-includes (like rails), so you don't have to think too much about what libraries to use, the core of IHP can get you very far without needing to manually decide between libraries.

IHP even won a G2 badge, which is kind of funny and ironic for a Haskell project :D https://www.g2.com/products/ihp/reviews

Thanks to reintroduction of deep subsumption we could finally update IHP to the GHC 9 series. So really happy about the recent GHC releases :)

If you're curious about Haskell, IHP is a good starting point (https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ https://github.com/digitallyinduced/ihp). IHP is Haskell's version of Laravel/Rails/Django. It's really a superpower to have Haskell's type system combined with the rapid development approach of Rails :) (Disclaimer: I'm founder of the company that makes IHP)