m1n1 VS pdp7-unix

Compare m1n1 vs pdp7-unix and see what are their differences.

m1n1

A bootloader and experimentation playground for Apple Silicon (by AsahiLinux)

pdp7-unix

A project to resurrect Unix on the PDP-7 from a scan of the original assembly code (by DoctorWkt)
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m1n1 pdp7-unix
17 4
3,357 408
1.7% -
8.9 2.6
10 days ago 7 months ago
Python Assembly
MIT License GNU General Public License v3.0 only
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m1n1

Posts with mentions or reviews of m1n1. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-02-15.
  • Asahi Linux project's OpenGL support on Apple Silicon officially surpasses Apple
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 15 Feb 2024
    One of the coolest things (IMO) about the entire Asahi effort, and why I'm not at all surprised that they surpassed Apple, was the dedicated effort to build bespoke developer-friendly Python tooling early in the reverse engineering process.

    https://asahilinux.org/2021/08/progress-report-august-2021/

    > Since the hypervisor is built on m1n1, it works together with Python code running on a separate host machine. Effectively, the Python host can “puppeteer” the M1 and its guest OS remotely. The hypervisor itself is partially written in Python! This allows us to have a very fast test cycle, and we can even update parts of the hypervisor itself live during guest execution, without a reboot.

    > We then started building a Python implementation of this RPC protocol and marshaling system. This implementation serves a triple purpose: it allows us to parse the DCP logs from the hypervisor to understand what macOS does, it allows us to build a prototype DCP driver entirely in Python, and it will in the future be used to automatically generate marshaling code for the Linux kernel DCP driver.

    Code here: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1/blob/main/proxyclient/m1n...

    If you watch any of Asahi Lina's streams from the time before they had working drivers, she's able to weave together complex bitflag-manipulating pipelines at the speed of thought with self-documenting code, all in Python running on the host machine, all while joking with viewers via her adorable avatar. I've never seen anything like it before. The whole workflow is a tremendous and unprecedented accomplishment by the entire Asahi team.

  • Strange (scheduling?) latency on the host when KVM guest runs something demanding
    2 projects | /r/AsahiLinux | 4 May 2023
    I wrote a m1n1 experiment to test IRQ delivery in EL1 and noticed something was weird. I already knew about that IRQ control register (3 masks IRQs entirely and is the default, that whole thing took like a day or two back when I first added M1 Pro/Max support), so I tried other values and 2 fixed it.
  • Apple Silicon - iBoot
    1 project | /r/osdev | 4 Apr 2023
    They have not dropped hardly any official documentation on iBoot. The best safe documentation is in: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1/ There's a lot of tainted docs out there because the source to iBoot was illegally leaked a while back, but marcan is known for being a bit of a hardass when it comes to legal reverse engineering (thankfully).
  • Everything we know about the Apple Neural Engine (ANE)
    9 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Mar 2023
  • Dumb question - is it possible to install Windows on top of Asahi?
    1 project | /r/AsahiLinux | 1 Mar 2023
    No its uefi boot manager “https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1 “
  • Updates galore! November 2022 Progress Report
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 22 Nov 2022
    What makes you say there isn't community participation? The repo for m1n1, at least, has 42 contributors according to Github[1]. There's plenty more reporting bugs and such, and their IRC channel seems relatively active.

    1: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1

  • A Secret Apple Silicon (M1) Extension to Accommodate an Intel 8080 Artifact
    1 project | /r/mac | 18 Nov 2022
    I can confirm that’s pretty much exactly what happens. I did some digging with the help of m1n1 a while back, and essentially yeah, this is almost exactly what it does. The only difference is that, rather than tracking which cores are running emulated code, the scheduler keeps track of which processes are running in emulation mode, and prior to returning to userland after a context switch, the kernel sets control register bits for features like TSO (which is what I was interested in looking into at the time; I believe that specifically is controlled somewhere in the actlr_el1 register). Although only the P-cores actually implement the necessary x86 emulation behavior, the scheduler of course wants to ensure that a process is not pinned to any one core, and that native and emulated processes alike can preempt and interleave with each other on the P-cores just as they would if there were no emulation.
  • Asahi Lina (Linux Developer VTuber) wants to write the new Apple Silicon GPU driver for Linux in Rust!
    3 projects | /r/linux | 11 Aug 2022
    That shim/stub is m1n1. It is the bootloader for Asahi Linux, but also makes it possible to talk to the hardware over USB as just described by Lina. marcan even implemented a small hypervisor in m1n1, so it can be used to run MacOS and trace how MacOS is accessing the hardware.
  • questions about the new architecture
    1 project | /r/mac | 9 Aug 2022
    Windows 11 ARM dualboot will come to M1 macs in the near future. See m1n1 for progress.
  • First triangle ever rendered on an M1 Mac with a fully open-source driver
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 5 Jun 2022

pdp7-unix

Posts with mentions or reviews of pdp7-unix. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-08-25.
  • Making NetBSD Multiboot-Compatible (2007)
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Aug 2023
    TIL there is a version of UNIX for PDP-7, and PDP-7 did not have MMU, therefore UNIX by definition do not require MMU, and that version of UNIX had been archeologied in a runnable form on GitHub[1]

    1: https://github.com/DoctorWkt/pdp7-unix

  • Unix Edition Zero
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 15 Feb 2023
  • Where to find the original Unix image file?
    1 project | /r/unix | 1 Jan 2023
    I've never heard of a copy being used outside of the original authors' site. However, it can be built from source code and run on a PDP-7 emulator. https://github.com/DoctorWkt/pdp7-unix.
  • Apple M1 Assembly Language Hello World
    6 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 14 Jan 2021
    Well first of all I was wrong -- the PDP7 did have syscalls, I'm just bad at reading PDP7 assembly and missed the dispatcher. Curiously, it looks like the sequence is entirely different, although there could be some magic that makes the order different than it appears at first glance.

    https://github.com/DoctorWkt/pdp7-unix/blob/master/src/sys/s...

    It's all just guessing, but I figure the explanation is much simpler -- for PDP11 UNIX, they just kept using the same syscalls up till V7 / 2BSD, and there should have been a sort of "rolling release" binary compatibility. For the VAX, the first port (32v) probably just retained the original numbering since there was no reason to deviate from it, which colored 3BSD and 4BSD, hence {Net,Free,Open}BSD and Darwin and friends.

    Worth pointing out that several versions of Linux have rather different syscall tables. 32 bit ARM and x86 are more-or-less matches, with ARM differing on a few early syscalls, while 64 bit ARM and amd64 differing quite dramatically. The old ABI for 32bit MIPS also matches, but both the n32 and n64 ABIs use slightly variant syscall tables. PowerPC 32/64 bit is also a close match, although it has some impedance (I think it matches closer to AIX by design)

    At the end of the day, I think the similarity is mostly a mixture of coincidence, system developers being influenced by their bootstrap system's syscall tables, and no real reason to change them up. No reason to not change them, either, since it's pretty trivial to use different dispatch tables for different types of processes, like how the BSD's handle other-OS compat.

What are some alternatives?

When comparing m1n1 and pdp7-unix you can also consider the following projects:

HelloSilicon - An introduction to ARM64 assembly on Apple Silicon Macs

unix-history-repo - Continuous Unix commit history from 1970 until today

retrobsd - Main RetroBSD Operating System

freebsd-src - The FreeBSD src tree publish-only repository. Experimenting with 'simple' pull requests....

rss-proxy - RSS-proxy allows you to do create an RSS or ATOM feed of almost any website, just by analyzing just the static HTML structure.

unix-jun72 - The working source code to PDP-11 Unix from 1972.

nixos-apple-silicon - Resources to install NixOS bare metal on Apple Silicon Macs

LiteBSD - Variant of 4.4BSD Unix for microcontrollers

libimobiledevice - A cross-platform protocol library to communicate with iOS devices

unix-v6 - UNIX 6th Edition Kernel Source Code