lexbor VS Nokogiri

Project is deprecated in favour of the same developer's lexbor project[0].

[0]: https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor

It supports both CSS selectors and XPath like Nokogiri, but with separate engines - parsing and CSS engine by Lexbor, XPath engine by libxml2. (Nokogiri internally converts CSS selectors to XPath syntax, and uses XPath engine for all searches).

An HTML parser, probably the simplest relatively modern example I could find is 1MB https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor (haven't used it, but might look more into it now that I know it exists.)

Lazyweb link: https://github.com/rushter/selectolax

although I don't follow the need to have what appears to be two completely separate HTML parsing C libraries as dependencies; seeing this in the readme for Modest gives me the shivers because lxml has _seen some shit_

> Modest is a fast HTML renderer implemented as a pure C99 library with no outside dependencies.

although its other dep seems much more cognizant about the HTML5 standard, for whatever that's worth: https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor#lexbor

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> It looks like the author of the article just googled some libraries for each language and didn't research the topic

Heh, oh, new to the Internet, are you? :-D

Lexbor is here: https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor

Well, regarding HTML5, what I've found was libxml (does not support tag-soup HTML5), https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor, for which I was unable to find good documentation ( see https://lexbor.com/docs/lexbor/#dom), Apache Xerces (appears to not support tag-soup HTML5 as well), and Gumbo, which does not appear to be active and to support selectors and XPath (although there are libraries that add that).

I think we've all (mostly?) tried it. It really is the Wild West of the web when you're trying to parse other people's HTML, though.

I've played around with this parser which is extremely quick. https://github.com/lexbor/lexbor

I’m glad to have the opportunity to contribute to an open-source project that is used by thousands of people. Hopefully, we will speed up Nokogiri (or XML parser it uses) to match the performance of html5ever or lexbor at some point in the future. 800 ms to extract data from HTML is still too much.

release planning: v1.16.0 · Issue #2897 · sparklemotion/nokogiri

What's holding me back from going all in with Crystal is I have a lot of pre-existing Ruby code, and porting Ruby code to Crystal can be tricky. For example, Crystal lacks an Enumerator class (aka generators) due to captured block semantics. I also wish the shards ecosystem was a little more mature; for example there's multiple HTML parsing libraries, but none have all of the features that Ruby's Nokogiri has. For new greenfield backend projects, I would totally use Crystal.

Welcome! Ruby isn't exactly "dying", but the hype/popularity is definitely fading. This is primarily because Ruby is no longer "new", most of Ruby's popularity came from Rails, and now Rails is no longer the "new hotness". However, Ruby still has lots of awesome features and lots of awesome other libraries and frameworks, such as the new fancy irb gem that uses reline, nokogiri, chunky_png, the async gems, Dragon Ruby, SciRuby, Ronin, and the new Hanami web framework.

great for hacking at xml

Mike has worked hard over the years to have Nokogiri come with its dependencies. It does come with libxml and all that is required.

From https://nokogiri.org

> These dependencies are met by default by Nokogiri's packaged versions of the libxml2 and libxslt source code, but a configuration option --use-system-libraries is provided to allow specification of alternative library locations.

Some authors work hard to have their tools do the right thing and consistently.

If the page is rendered as html you can use Nokogiri. It has great support and is pretty easy to get started with too.

And even now, pulling in a Java-based HTML5 parser is still probably easier than re-implementing in FFI, which is why I created https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri/issues/2227 and would love to have this the conversation there if possible.