lean4 VS tracing

Recently replaced by Lean, though.

https://github.com/cedar-policy/cedar-spec

https://lean-lang.org

Nice read! Rust has pushed, and will continue to push, the limits of practical, bare metal, memory safe languages. And it's interesting to think about what's next, maybe eventually there will be some form of practical theorem proving "for the masses". Lean 4 looks great and has potential, but it's still mostly a language for mathematicians. There has been some research on AI constructed proofs, which could be the best of both worlds because then the type checker can verify that the AI generated code/proof is indeed correct. Tools like Kani are also a step forward in program correctness.

Yeah, I believe they said intend for it to be used as a general purpose programming language. I used it to complete Advent of Code last year.

There are some really interesting features for general purpose programming in there. For example: you can code updates to arrays in a functional style (change a value, get a new array back), but if the refcount is 1, it updates in place. This works for inductive types and structures, too. So I was able to efficiently use C-style arrays (O(1) update/lookup) while writing functional code. (paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.05647 )

Another interesting feature is that the "do" blocks include mutable variables and for loops (with continue / break / return), that gets compiled down to monad operations. (paper: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3547640 )

And I'm impressed that you can add to the syntax of the language, in the same way that the language is implemented, and then use that syntax in the next line of code. (paper: https://lmcs.episciences.org/9362/pdf ). There is an example in the source repository that adds and then uses a JSX-like syntax. (https://github.com/leanprover/lean4/blob/master/tests/playgr... )

My latest inspiration to use code to a) replace my video editor, b) learn the basics of EDM production and c) understand a few topics in higher maths. This might sound very strange given there are specialised tools for these jobs. There's iMovie / Adobe Premier for video, there's GarageBand and FL studio for music and old good pen and pencil for math proofs. But these tools have three big limitations. First they have a lot of idiosyncratic learning, you have to spend quite some time getting used to these tools and my experience is that this time is quite upsetting. In contrast, you only have to learn to code one, maybe spend a few hours getting used to the syntax of another language. I'm not sure if that's true for most people but it was true for me using the tools mentioned above and wanted a place to discuss and see other people ideas and experiments. The second issue is that all these custom-made tools, are not composing easily. I can't search for all math proofs that used a single theorem. I can't create a plugin for iMovie and apply it to all my videos. I can't pick easily pick a rhythm from the internet and build upon for fun. There's also the issue of costs and version control, all tools I'm using today are open source and my work is stored in my repositories. This way I can create branches and test my ideas and I'm also confident that I can work in these projects in years.

Dafny and Whiley are two examples with explicit verification support. Idris and other dependently typed languages should all be rich enough to express the required predicate but might not necessarily be able to accept a reasonable implementation as proof. Isabelle, Lean, Coq, and other theorem provers definitely can express the capability but aren't going to churn out much in the way of executable programs; they're more useful to guide an implementation in a more practical functional language but then the proof is separated from the implementation, and you could also use tools like TLA+.

https://dafny.org/

https://whiley.org/

https://www.idris-lang.org/

https://isabelle.in.tum.de/

https://leanprover.github.io/

https://coq.inria.fr/

http://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html

The video description is as follows:

In this stream, we peel back the crust on the tracing crate — https://github.com/tokio-rs/tracing/ — and explore its interface, structure, and mechanisms. We talk about spans, events, their attributes and fields, and how to think about them in async code. We also dig into what subscribers are, how they pick up events, and how you can construct your own subscribers through the layer abstraction. For more details about tracing, see https://docs.rs/tracing/latest/tracing/.

> What's been your biggest issues around ergonomics/amenities for OpenTelemetry?

I can't speak generally, but in the Rust ecosystem the various crates don't play well together. Here's one example: <https://github.com/tokio-rs/tracing/issues/2648> There are four crates involved (tracing-attributes, tracing-opentelemetry, opentelemetry, and opentelemetry-datadog) and none of them fit properly into any of the others.

The tracing (logging) mechanism in an asynchronous codebase (tracing).

Tracing is Tokio's alternative for async code.

At a technical level, in Rust, both [tracing]https://crates.io/crates/tracing) and log are entire ecosystems (though for the latter at least there's also third party logging frameworks), and there's at least a bridge from log to tracing.

I am using https://github.com/tokio-rs/tracing for logging purposes in my application. I would like to develop a feature wherein logs should be saved to a database table (via sea-orm). Something similar is this, but it does not solve my needs fully.

I've used the tracing infrastructure with tracing_flame to profile some hot paths in async code: https://github.com/tokio-rs/tracing/tree/master/tracing-flame

Oh nice! IIRC when I checked, it was the Unicode tables that smashed the code size. I recently hit the same issue with the tracing crate, where a crate feature (for env var filtering) pulled in regex and my binary was suddenly 1MB bigger.

I know about tools such as tracing, jaeger or tracy. While having a complete tracing could be a potential solution, these tools don't work with no_std.

tracing by itself only outputs log data, you need to consume them in a subscriber, the tracing-subscriber crate exists for this. (example)