jetstream VS Tailwind CSS

While I prefer python for everything else, I'd go with Laravel Jetstream[1] for an MVP, just like I did with the last one I had to build. It's laravel, you can use Vue (React or Svelte) for your views instead of the blade templating language that comes with the framework. Jetstream also comes with Auth, user login and subscription and other useful stuff.

And for the flavor, I'd just go with DaisyUI[2] again, since it's based on tailwindcss and it's what I've been using lately.

In my experience, I can build MVPs real fast with the stack described above.

[1] https://jetstream.laravel.com

This legacy package is a very simple authentication scaffolding built on the Bootstrap CSS framework. While it continues to work with the latest version of Laravel, you should consider using Laravel Breeze for new projects. Or, for something more robust, consider Laravel Jetstream.

Jetstream is not a bad place to start: https://github.com/laravel/jetstream/tree/2.x/src

I get your point and this conversation might be as old as Laravel itself. I would like to point out a couple of things though:

The "hop in and be productive" part is directly related to Laravel being pretty opinionated. It's hard to have the one without the other. I think it's comparable to Steve Jobs, who had pretty strong opinions about certain things, too. The end result is a "product" that doesn't try to be the right fit for everyone.

Livewire, just like Jetstream[1] etc. is opt-in. When Jetstream was introduced, there was quite an uproar (by parts of the community) about Laravel forcing users into Livewire or Inertia[2]. The end result was (imho) a very healthy shift in communication around it (to emphasize the opt-in part), followed by the introduction of Breeze[3], which goes to show that Taylor does recognize the reservations some people may have about those new shiny toys.

It's a very natural thing that big projects like that will have an ever-growing feature set. That is an important part of keeping existing users excited. The Jetstream-discussion has been an important lesson for the team (I hope) and I'm glad it ended the way it did.

You can still build your Laravel app in a pretty similar fashion as you would have done 5 years ago and if you want, you can make use of the recent additions, so I think there's not too much to worry about to be honest. If you have outgrown the magic, isn't it pretty amazing that you can drop down one level of abstraction and just use symfony? Also, do you think you would've grasped many of the underlying features of symfony, if it wasn't for Laravel's opinionated wrapping in a nicer syntax (pardon my oversimplification)?

Nevertheless, I think it's good to keep up the warning signs and have this discussion from time to time. ;-)

[1] https://github.com/laravel/jetstream

The commit, the issue

They have good reasons to drop it, read the whole discussion under that commit, because it seems you didn't as those problems were discussed there.

Make sure that Livewire and Alpine.JS are installed properly. The easiest way to do it is to install Laravel Jetstream with Livewire stack (post-install command php artisan jetstream:install livewire).

More often than not when developing an application you're going to need some mechanism of authentication. Up until recently, Laravel shipped with a complete authentication toolbox: controllers, routes and views. Recently Laravel migrated a lot of its backend authentication functionality into Laravel Fortify and provided a frontend simple implementation using Breeze. There's also a more opinionated auth setup using JetStream which combines Fortify and other currently-popular frontend tools Livewire and (my personal favorite) Inertiajs.

This app was built with Svelte Kit, Tailwind CSS, and many other technologies. For a full rundown, please visit the GitHub repository

Unlike Tailwind, which has over 77,000 stars on GitHub, Mojo CSS has about 200 stars on GitHub. But the Mojo CSS documentation is fairly good and you can find most of the information you’ll need there.

JavaScript React Flowbite Tailwind Firebase - Auth, Database, and Hosting Vite

- Performance is a feature.

Another common interpretation of brutalism is aesthetic, reacting to overly complicated user interfaces by creating simpler, more direct ones. Tailwind CSS (https://tailwindcss.com), one of today's most popular CSS libraries, promotes this approach in its component examples. There's also a neat library I've seen recently called "Neobrutalism Components" for React that I like (https://neobrutalism-components.vercel.app), providing components with a similar look and feel to Gumroad. This might more accurately be called 'Neo-Brutalism,' as noted in the comments.

A more engineering-centric interpretation of Brutalism focuses on form, structure, and efficiency, drawing significantly from brutalist architecture principles. Apart from the user interface itself, most mobile, desktop, and web applications are extremely bloated and often perform worse than sites from 10 years ago did. While one HTML file might be "less brutalist" than the original HN site, it is substantially more brutalist than any HN mobile app in existence, and offers nearly identical functionality.

A broader interpretation of brutalism, which could be termed 'Meta-Brutalism,' is embodied in the overall experience on this site through UX flows. Yes, in the strictest sense, the original HN site is more Brutalist in many ways, but it only shows 30 articles at a time and does not function as a PWA. For this site, the experience of reading 10 stories is arguably less brutalist, but for quickly browsing through several pages and skimming articles (which is how I read HN) it is a lot faster, and in my opinion, more Brutalist.

My primary inspiration was addressing software and tool bloat in UIs rather than strictly adhering to every principle set forth by David Bryant Copeland. I don't find it convincing that this site "isn't brutalist" compared to really any other experience apart from the Main HN site, and I would argue the overall experience is more brutalist in its performance and scrolling behavior.

As a side note: I generally don't like Brutalist architecture that much although I believe it is unfairly maligned. I visited the Salk Institute once and enjoyed it though (https://www.archdaily.com/61288/ad-classics-salk-institute-l...).

- Staff Software Engineer ($275k/yr): https://tailwindcss.com/careers/staff-software-engineer

We're small, independent, and profitable, with a team of just 6 people doing millions in revenue, and growing sustainably every year. You'd work directly with the founders on open-source software used by millions of people.

If you like the idea of working on a small team that cares about craft and isn't trying to achieve VC scale, I think this is a pretty awesome place to do your best work.

Instead of Booststrap, I used Tailwind CSS as the CSS library.

Tailwind CSS: A utility-first CSS framework for rapidly building custom designs.

Basic knowledge of Tailwind CSS and MobX-State-Tree

Tailwind CSS

Be sure to have the latest version of Tailwind CSS to avoid compatibility issues, as Catalyst uses the newest version