jdeploy VS skija

See http://www.jdeploy.com/

You could try jdeploy as well.

Why would someone use conveyor over https://www.jdeploy.com/

Agree. For quite a while it was hard to deploy JavaFX applications but jpackage exists now. There are also tools out there which do everything for you :https://www.jdeploy.com/https://conveyor.hydraulic.dev/1.0/

How does it compare to jdeploy?

You can try https://www.jdeploy.com. I didn't try it yet. I use GitHub Actions which allow me to deploy to all platforms by just pushing to the master branch (or whichever you set up). It's free for a certain amount of machine runtime minutes. Shouldn't be a problem for a personal application.

You build your Clojure app as an uberjar, yes. Only gotcha here is to remember "-Dcljfx.skip-javafx-initialization=true" so the JFX thread doesn't get started during build, and I've had no problems using Clojure's direct linking either. You use jlink[1] to create a custom runtime JRE image (this isn't strictly necessary if you're deploying to machines with a JRE but it cuts down on moving parts and gives you more control). jpackage[2] then takes that runtime image and your uberjar and creates installers for Mac/Windows/Linux. Both are command line tools, and we just have GitHub Actions that cut new releases for each platform when we tag something with a new version.

Worth also keeping an eye on jDeploy[2] which adds extra goodies like auto updates, at the cost of some npm shenanigans. Not something I've played with yet though.

1: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/17/docs/specs/man/jli...

2: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/17/docs/specs/man/jpa...

3: https://www.jdeploy.com/

I think IntelliJ was built on Swing and predates JavaFX… however, I’m curious if they’ve got plans to integrate their Skia integration work that backs desktop compose: https://github.com/JetBrains/skija

Maybe the story is not finished yet. New approaches like JetBrain's Compose (https://www.jetbrains.com/de-de/lp/compose-mpp/) with a React inspired programming model might bring some new interest to the platform. Then there is a Java binding library for Skia (https://github.com/JetBrains/skija), and JavaFX is also alive and high quality.

As everyone is used to fat Electron apps now, Java applications (especially compiled and packed with new JDK features) might be refreshing.

I think it's the core, the 2D engine, just never got the love it needed to be a great place to start. Nobody seemed to prioritize making that happen.

Like, the antialiasing was noticably fuzzy. I never found an applet that looked like it belonged on the webpage. And when I built a few, it was a lot of work to even get font rendering to not be horrendous. And even then, you'd see what the browser rendered vs what the applet rendered and they were always off. I remember using images instead of font rendering sometimes.

So, if you made a swing app, it was easy to put together, but hard to make look "professional".

By the time of the Oracle acquisition, I'm pretty sure everyone just realized "the browser won" and that's why we just had JavaFX get broken off the platform and basically put out to pasture. But it's not like much went into the core platform itself to make building great UIs easy. The underlying 2D rendering just never worked efficiently.

I mean, even today, there's some serious performance issues with IntelliJ on 4k monitors with scaling. https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-526

When I look at where JetBrains is going, it sure seems like they are building on top of a better 2D engine, in this case, skia: https://github.com/JetBrains/skija.

Under the covers it uses Skija which is a java wrapper for Skia which is a C++ 2D graphics engine (https://github.com/JetBrains/skija)

You can take a look at Skija from Jetbrains. It's a wrapper around the Skia library used by Chrome, Xamarin, LibreOffice, among others.

Technically, the bot is written in Kotlin using Ktor and Koin. It's a single endpoint web service, listening for Telegram Bot API webhooks. Text is drawn using Oswald font (I need Cyrillic, not supported in Anton) with Skija library, a Java wrapper for Skia, a 2D library powering your phone and browser. It is really cool and next time you need to make something with graphics, consider using Skia and its wrapper for your language. Next, generated images are upload to Imgur via its API (the documentation could be better). The whole thing is running on a free VM in Oracle Cloud. So, yeah, next time you need to host something lightweight — check out their offering. Oracle also provides a free DB instance, which I'm using to cache the links. Monitoring: Grafana Cloud (also free). Deployments: GitHub Actions + Ansible. So it didn't cost me a penny, except for ~50 hours of coding in two weeks on the evenings.