JDBI VS Flyway

While this may work for greenfield applications, I don't see this working well for preexisting schemas. From their getting started page: "Database fields are automatically created for any abstract getter methods", which definitely scares me away since they seem to be relying on automatic field type conversions.

I prefer to manage my schemas when I can and do type and DAO conversions via mapper classes in the very simple and elegant JDBI framework where you write SQL annotations above your DAO methods https://jdbi.org/#_declarative_api

JDBI does wonders for wonky old schemas you've inherited, since joins etc work out of the box (just throw them in your annotations!) The annotations can also link to .SQL files for the big hairy queries.

All these "do magic" frameworks (hibernate being one of the first) work in the simple cases but then fall apart whenever you need to do anything complex/not-prescribed. I end up having to dig into the internals of the framework to see what's going wrong which negates their whole value add.

> I've been doing ORM on Java since Hibernate was new, and it has always sucked.

Have you ever looked at something like myBatis? In particular, the XML mappers: https://mybatis.org/mybatis-3/dynamic-sql.html

Looking back, I actually quite liked it - you had conditionals and ability to build queries dynamically (including snippets, doing loops etc.), while still writing mostly SQL with a bit of XML DSL around it, which didn't suck as much as one might imagine. The only problem was that there was still writing some boilerplate, which I wasn't the biggest fan of.

Hibernate always felt like walking across a bridge that might collapse at any moment (one eager fetch away from killing the performance, or having some obscure issue related to the entity mappings), however I liked tooling that let you point towards your database and get a local set of entities mapped automatically, even though codegen also used to have some issues occasionally (e.g. date types).

That said, there's also projects like jOOQ which had a more code centric approach, although I recall it being slightly awkward to use in practice: https://www.jooq.org/ (and the autocomplete killed the performance in some IDEs because of all the possible method signatures)

More recently, when working on a Java project, I opted for JDBI3, which felt reasonably close to what you're describing, at the expense of not being able to build dynamic queries as easily, as it was with myBatis: https://jdbi.org/

That said, with the multi-line string support we have in Java now, it was rather pleasant regardless: https://blog.kronis.dev/tutorials/2-4-pidgeot-a-system-for-m...

I don't think there's a silver bullet out there, everything from lightweight ORMs, to heavy ORMs like Hibernate, or even writing pure SQL has drawbacks. You just have to make the tradeoffs that will see you being successful in your particular project.

I found JDBi[1] to be a really nice balance between ORM and raw SQL. It gives me the flexibility I need but takes care of a lot of the boilerplate. It's almost like a third category.

1. http://jdbi.org

You could use something like jdbi or mybatis. It's not as ugly as raw jdbc and easier to use without all of the gunk from an ORM like hibernate.

We use JDBI. Very simple and lightweight. It uses an object mapper not a full fledged ORM.

Alternatively there are... hybrid solutions like Kotlin's https://github.com/JetBrains/Exposed or https://jdbi.org/ that don't quite... do all the heavy lifting for querying but allow you to sorta stitch queries together manually.

As seems that Micronaut does not include anything similar by default, we use JDBI and that SQL to retrieve one random greeting from the greetings table.

Ah! E sobre o que eu usei no backend, alem de postgres e fly.io, o backend eh eh Java, usando um framework chamado quarkus e jdbi pra fazer a interface com o banco.

More personally, I'm not much an ORM guy. I've just never found that the benefits outweigh the costs, but that's just my opinion. That said, I don't use JDBC directly in my own projects anymore, strongly preferring to use JDBI instead. I find that it walks the line between "make using the database easier" and "get between you and the database" beautifully. But there's not a darn thing wrong with using JDBC directly.

Also RedGate, but Flyway has some reasons to recommend it over RedGate Deploy depending on your DBAs/workflows: https://flywaydb.org/

(Though I don't think it is "complete" or "perfect", either.)

EF Migrations are in a really good place now if you like/don't mind C# as a language (and you can easily embed SQL inside the C#, too, but there are benefits to being able to also run high level C# code). With today's tooling you can package your migration "runner application" as a single deployable executable for most platforms. You can build the executable once and run it in all your environments. (The same tool that updates your QA and Staging updates your Prod, testably running the same migrations.) Given the single executable deployable I might even consider using it for projects not themselves written in C#.

There is a bit of tooling needed but is already around. For Java for example I had very good experience with a combination of flyway [1] for migrations, testcontainers [2] for making integration tests as easy as unit tests and querydsl [3] for a query and mapping layer.

[1] https://github.com/flyway/flyway

[2] https://java.testcontainers.org/modules/databases/postgres/

[3] https://github.com/querydsl/querydsl

When software starts using a database, it's advisable to have version control, just as we have Github to control our source code. This is all to be sure about what was executed for that specific version. For Java and Spring boot, we have the Flyway framework that aims to resolve this situation, free of charge.

If you're looking for tools, like https://www.liquibase.com/ or https://flywaydb.org/, which are database-state-based schema migration toolkits - it might be relatively straightforward to build similar ones using Databricks SQL drivers.

Honestly I kind of wish there was a Lukas Eder database migration library. Call it whatever jooq-migration. At least I would have more insight of what is going on (<-- seriously look at the commit history).

This is a 4th option, which should play nice with ArgoCD. The following example runs flyway as a k8s job. The desired migration changes are recorded as files within the chart. This helm chart can be integrated with your application (Using hooks to determine when the migration job is run) or run manually.

By using an opinionated framework within the app/service (like Flyway, Migrate, Diesel, etc). Schema migrations happen on app/service start-up.

Depending on the language or platform there are libraries you can use to manage this, such as Prisma on node and Flyway for Java/JVM.

It's probably overkill but I've used github plus flyway at a couple places in the past which is pretty nice tool for tracking changes to a variety of db's, it's also very helpful if you ever need to replicate a db in a new region/environment.

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