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interface-types
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WebAssembly Playground
Some things that might greatly increase wasm usage and overall tooling:
1) Tools that run docker containers and serverless function services (like AWS lambda) to support providing a .wasm files instead
2) Garbage collection in the runtime to make GC languages easier to port to wasm
3) Dynamically typed languages (NodeJS, Python, Ruby) being able to compile to webassembly directly instead of porting the runtime to webassembly and then running the code through the runtime. This is a big ask though, basically needs to redesign the runtime completely
4) wasm-DOM bindings will enable other languages to do HTML rendering which will require new web frameworks for every language that wants to take over the space from JS. This will lead to (even more) fragmentation of the web ecosystem
5) A new wasm-first SDK (unrelated to the DOM) for building cross platform applications. I can see this taking off only if it is built-into the browsers and backed by some standards committee, so not very likely I think
6) Something like the Interface Types proposal ( https://github.com/WebAssembly/interface-types/blob/main/pro... ) becomes a thing allowing wasm programs to be consisted of modules written in several different languages and being able to call said modules with low or 0 runtime performance hit (and of course, no compilation to multiple CPU archs). So much of programming ecosystems are locked to specific languages (like data science with python) when there is little technical reason for it be like that.
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Bring garbage collected programming languages efficiently to WebAssembly
AFAIK GC is irrelevant for "direct DOM access", you would rather want to hop into the following rabbit hole:
- reference types: https://github.com/WebAssembly/reference-types/blob/master/p...
- interface types (inactive): https://github.com/WebAssembly/interface-types/blob/main/pro...
- component model: https://github.com/WebAssembly/component-model
If this looks like a mess, that's because it is. Compared to that, the current solution to go through a Javascript shim doesn't look too bad IMHO.
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Rust & Wasm (Safe and fast web development)
I'm not really optimistic that particular aspect will get much improvement. Many people expected interface types to come save the day, but after a looong stagnation that proposal has been archived (for now) in favour of component types, which has much less potential for performance gains.
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Plugins in Rust: Wrapping Up
Really good questions. Unfortunately, most of the issues I found back then were fundamental ones. I've seen that Wasm has deprecated "Interface Types" and is now working on the "Component Model". But even then, as far as I understand that would only avoid the serialization and deserialization steps, and you would still need to copy complex types. It will be more performant, but I don't think it would be enough for Tremor either.
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When moving from JS to WASM is not worth it - Zaplib post mortem
wasm doesn't know anything about the outside world on purpose. This allows it to be used in other domains. For direct access to the DOM et al, interface types are being developed. It's a non-trivial problem to interoperate with a dynamically typed GC'd language from any statically typed no-GC language that can compile to wasm.
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WebAssembly 2.0 Working Draft
You may want to look into WASM interface types, which is defining what amounts to am IDL for WASM and different languages have common calling conventions: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/08/webassembly-interface-type...
I don’t know if there’s a better intro article. I believe this is the current iteration of the proposal: https://github.com/WebAssembly/interface-types/blob/main/pro...
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Replace JS with Rust on front-end, possible? Advisable?
Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, this is the RFC
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Google Chrome emergency update fixes zero-day used in attacks
I see no reason why not. See the interface types proposal for a proposed solution.
- Rust for UI development
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Front-end Rust framework performance prognosis
Wanted to get thoughts from the Rust experts on this - the author of the Yew framework seems to think that Web Assembly Interface Types (https://github.com/WebAssembly/interface-types/blob/master/proposals/interface-types/Explainer.md) will allow Yew to eventually become faster than Vue, React, Angular, etc. Is there general consensus on this in the Rust community? The prospect of mixing Rust (for the performance critical pieces) with TS on the front end doesn't seem super appealing to me.
memory64
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Top 8 Recent V8 Updates
A completed implementation of memory64 for memory-hungry applications.
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Extism Makes WebAssembly Easy
Indeed, webassembly is moving extremely slowly. I started a project years ago expecting https://github.com/WebAssembly/memory-control/blob/main/prop... and https://github.com/WebAssembly/memory64 to be fixed at some point. Neither are yet, and the project still suffers from it to this day.
I think wasm is still great without these fixes, but I have lost confidence in the idea that wasm will reach its full potential any time soon.
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How Photoshop solved working with files larger than can fit into memory
It's in the works: https://github.com/WebAssembly/memory64
Starting with 32bit had some performance advantages because 64bit runtimes can use virtual memory shenanigans to implement bounds checking with zero overhead. In wasm64 they'll have to do explicit bounds checking instead.
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Transformers.js
Right - currently, everything runs using WASM (32-bit, with 64-bit coming soon [1,2]), and I plan to add support for WebGPU soon!
(WebGPU is the successor to WebGL, which is coming out in April 2023 [3])
[1] https://github.com/WebAssembly/memory64/issues/36#issuecomme...
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What was the rational for 32-bit memory addresses in WebAssembly? It seems very short-sighted, considering it only came out pretty recently in 2017
It shouldn't be a big surprise that a 64-bit pointer extension is out there and being worked on. The great thing about a VM is you can integrate major changes like this when they are needed and with the benefit of experience and hindsight. If the 4GB limit turns out to be restrictive then it can be lifted.
- Why Am I Excited About WebAssembly?
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Increasing Smart Contract Canister Memory Proposal is live for review
The goal of this proposal is to increase the amount of memory that canisters can access [eventually] bound only by the actual capacity of the subnet. Since, the Memory64 proposal is not standardized 1 yet and its implementation 1 in Wasmtime is not production ready yet, this proposal enables the increase by introducing a new stable memory API.
What are some alternatives?
assemblyscript - A TypeScript-like language for WebAssembly.
wasmtime - A fast and secure runtime for WebAssembly
gc - Branch of the spec repo scoped to discussion of GC integration in WebAssembly
botnet - Multiplayer programming game using Rust and WebAssembly
ASP.NET Core - ASP.NET Core is a cross-platform .NET framework for building modern cloud-based web applications on Windows, Mac, or Linux.
temporal-polyfill - A lightweight polyfill for Temporal, successor to the JavaScript Date object
Blazor.WebRTC
proposal-temporal - Provides standard objects and functions for working with dates and times.
meetings - WebAssembly meetings (VC or in-person), agendas, and notes
component-sandbox-demo
proposals - Tracking WebAssembly proposals
reference-types - Proposal for adding basic reference types (anyref)