hpy VS Pyjion

There is a merge request up to add autogen rust bindings to hpy

https://github.com/hpyproject/hpy/pull/457

Are you referencing https://github.com/hpyproject/hpy?

I do hope it takes off.

The HPy project [0] seems like a promising way out of this.

[0] https://hpyproject.org/

socketify.py breaks the record for Python no other Python WebFramework/Server as able to reach 6.2 mi requests per second before in TechEmPower Benchmarks, this puts Python at the same level of performance that Golang, Rust and C++ for web development, in fact Golang got 5.2 mi req/s in this same round. Almost every server or web framework tries to use JIT to boost the performance, but only socketify.py deliveries this level of performance, and even without JIT socketify.py is twice as fast any other web framework/server in active development, and still can be much more optimized using HPy (https://hpyproject.org/). Python will get even faster and faster in future!

I think Propose a better messaging for Python is the option and a lot of languages will learn it from Rust, because rust erros are the best described errors I see in my life lol. Cargo is amazing and I think we will need a better poetry/pip for sure, HPy project will modernize extensions and packages 📦 too https://hpyproject.org/

It also show that PyPy3 will not magically boost your performance, you need to integrate in a manner that PyPy3 can optimize and delivery CPU performance, with a more complex example maybe it can help more. But why socketify is so much faster using PyPy3? The answer is CFFI, socketify did not use Cython for integration and cannot delivery the full performance on Python3, this will be solved with HPy.

HPy integration to better support CPython, PyPy and GraalPython

Absolutely everything in CPython is a PyObject, and that can’t be changed without breaking the C API. A PyObject contains (among other things) a type pointer, a reference count, and a data field; none of these things can be changed without (again) breaking the C API.

There have definitely been attempts to modernize; the HPy project (https://hpyproject.org/), for instance, moves towards a handle-oriented API that keeps implementation details private and thus enables certain optimizations.

It exists, was created by microsoft employees, and is referenced in the article: https://www.trypyjion.com/

I've actually come across and started using Pyjion recently (https://github.com/tonybaloney/pyjion); how does Pypy compare, both in terms of performance and purpose? There seems to be a lot of overlap...

Python is capable of doing things at runtime that are really hard to statically compile around, such as monkeypatching methods onto existing objects. You can compile it, but it's complicated. One strategy is to use a JIT that can observe application state at runtime and then invalidate code as it becomes obsoleted by changes, but it's complicated. See pyjion for an example.

When I say "Python" I am referring to the standard CPython interpreter which most people use. But there is also PyPy, which includes a Just In Time compile that compiles selected code into machine language on the fly, as needed. pyjion is another JIT compiler that generates machine language on the fly, and you can install it with pip. Or you could work for Facebook and use Cinder. Cython, Nuitka and Pyston are other alternatives.

and if you need more speed you can try https://www.pypy.org/ or https://github.com/tonybaloney/Pyjion or https://www.pyston.org/

Finally, there is also Pyjion which based on its website is “A drop-in JIT Compiler for Python 3.10” (https://www.trypyjion.com/). We will be covering it on a separate writeup. See you next time ;-).

Though some exciting stuff happening over the next few years, Python is getting faster, has been for awhile, and stuff like Pyjion https://www.trypyjion.com/, a drop in C# powered JIT compiler is starting to approach usable. Rust and Python seem to be best buds right now, so more extension libraries in rust, a newer more approachable language than say C/C++ but with a similar speed. Sign me up!

Pyjion Easy to use, small compiler. Increase performance of our 🐌 CPython.