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gpuweb
- WGSL Is Terrible
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WebGPU now available for testing in Safari Technology Preview
People keep spreading this incredibly misleading statement, and yours is even more misleading (suggesting Apple opposed a 'GPU WASM')
By all accounts, Apple's /only/ stance was that if WebGPU used SPIR-V it would be a non-starter for them, due to ongoing legal issues between Apple and Khronos.
Apple actually proposed WebHLSL in collaboration with Microsoft, to have HLSL be the standard.
Mozilla employee's stance[0] was that SPIRV was too low level, did not fit with the goals of WebGPU portability and security, and expressed concern that Khronos may add functionality to SPIRV they cannot support in WebGPU like raytracing instructions .. 'So we'd always be on the verge of forking SPIR-V in some way.'
It was also noted by many people that even if a bytecode format was used, it would still have to be translated to the target (HLSL/DXIL, MSL, etc.) in almost the same way a text format would.
Nobody proposed a 'GPU WASM equivalent' or an alternative bytecode format.
The hard truth is that shader compilation is a fucking nightmare, people do not realize how bad it is across the different native APIs. SPIR-V is good, but it doesn't solve that - and presents other challenges if you are a web browser API. Vulkan and SPIRV are not the golden goose many make them out to be.
[0] https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/847#issuecomment-642...
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Show HN: WebGPU Particles Simulation
Yes it is still a bit new. WebGPU is not finished and is still being worked on: https://webgpu.io/
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Capturing the WebGPU Ecosystem
WebGPU currently doesn't support the "bindless" resource access model (see: https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/380).
The "max number of sampled texture per shader stage" is a runtime device limit, and the minimal value for that seems to be 16. So texture atlasses are still a thing in WebGPU.
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Why aren't we using highly efficient int8 calcualtions in quants? (maybe eli14?)
There's even an implementation under discussion to have the dp4a instruction added to WebGPU (https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/issues/2677)
- WebGPU – All of the cores, none of the canvas
- How to get Chromium working with the Vulkan driver on a RPi4?
- Anyone has Chromium WebGPU working?
- [Rust_Gamedev] WGSL est-il un bon choix?
- I want to talk about WebGPU
WASI
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WASI 0.2.0 and Why It Matters
WASI Co-chair here. Nothing in WASI is "somehow blocked by Google", or indeed blocked by anyone at all. Graphics support in WASI hasn't been developed simply because nobody has put energy into developing graphics support in WASI.
At the end of 2023 we counted around 40 contributors who have been working on WASI specifications and implementations: https://github.com/WebAssembly/meetings/blob/main/wasi/2023/... . That is a great growth for our project from a few years ago when that issue was filed, but as you can see from what people are working on, its all much more foundational pieces than a graphics interface. Also, if you look at who is employing those contributors, its largely vendors who are interested in WASI in the context of serverless. That doesn't mean WASI is limited to only serverless, but that has been the focus from contributors so far.
By rolling out WASI on top of the WASM Component Model we have built a sound foundation for creating WASI proposals that support more problem domains, such as embedded systems (@mc_woods and his colleagues are helping with this), or graphics if someone is interested in putting in the work. Our guide to how to create proposals is found here: https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/blob/main/Contributing.m... .
- WASI Launching Preview 2
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Missing the Point of WebAssembly
> As I understand it, it's not even really possible today to make WebAssembly do anything meaningful in the browser without trampolining back out to JavaScript anyway, which seems like a remarkable missed opportunity.
That's the underlying messy API it's built on. There are specs to make the API more standardized like https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI
But overall, yeah, it feels like a shiny new toy everyone is excited about and wants to use. Some toys can be fun to play with, but it doesn't mean we have to rewrite production systems in it. Sometimes, or most of the time, toys don't become useful tools.
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Running WASI binaries from your HTML using Web Components
Snapshot Preview 1 is the standard all tools are building to right now. The specification is available here: https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/blob/main/legacy/preview...
It's pretty unreadable though!
Preview 2 looks like it will be a big change, and is just being finalised at the moment. I'd expect that when preview 2 is available there will be an improvement in the quality of documentation. I'm not sure how long it will take after release for tools to start switching to it. I'd expect Preview 1 will still be the main target at least for the rest of this year.
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WASI: WebAssembly System Interface
> Like WTF does this mean? The repo tells me nothing
Directly above the sentence you quoted:
"Interposition in the context of WASI interfaces is the ability for a Webassembly instance to implement a given WASI interface, and for a consumer WebAssembly instance to be able to use this implementation transparently. This can be used to adapt or attenuate the functionality of a WASI API without changing the code using it."
> and I've still yet to see a clear write-up about what WASI is.
In the same document: [0]
> WTF is wit?
The first link in that document ("Starting in Preview2, WASI APIs are defined using the Wit IDL.") is [1].
> I click on "legacy" and I see preview0 and preview1, which are basically unreadable proto-specs.
The README for the legacy directory [2] clearly explains what they are.
> Where's a single well-written WASI spec?
"Development of each API happens in its own repo, which you can access from the proposals list." [3]
> Whatever WASI is doing, I don't like it.
Clearly not - you've gone out of your way to ignore all of the documentation that answers your questions.
> And neither does AssemblyScript team apparently
The AssemblyScript team have a bone to pick with WASI based on their misunderstanding of what WASI is for (it is not intended for use on the web) and WASI's disinterest in supporting UTF-16 strings. You can see for yourself in [4].
[0]: https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/tree/main#wasi-high-leve...
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A Gentle Introduction to WebAssembly
The Bytecode Alliance initiated a sub-project called the WebAssembly System Interface (WASI). WASI is an API that allows WebAssembly access to system features such as files, filesystems, Berkeley sockets, clocks, and random numbers. WASI acts as a system-level interface for WebAssembly, so incorporating a runtime into a host environment and building a platform is easier.
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Spin 1.0 — The Developer Tool for Serverless WebAssembly
We are excited to contribute back to Wasmtime and the component model, as well as to new projects and proposals emerging in this space (such as new Wasm proposals, like WASI Preview 2, wasi-keyvalue, wasi-sql or wasi-cloud).
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The Tug-of-War over Server-Side WebAssembly
I've been reading the following repositories.
https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI/blob/main/Proposals.md
What are some alternatives?
wgsl.vim - WGSL syntax highlight for vim
.NET Runtime - .NET is a cross-platform runtime for cloud, mobile, desktop, and IoT apps.
pyodide - Pyodide is a Python distribution for the browser and Node.js based on WebAssembly
webgpu-wgsl-hello-triangle - An example of how to render a triangle with WebGPU using WebGPU Shading Language - the "Hello world!" of computer graphics.
noclip.website - A digital museum of video game levels
threads - Threads and Atomics in WebAssembly
BestBuy-GPU-Bot - BestBuy Bot is an Add to cart and Auto Checkout Bot. This auto buying bot can search the item repeatedly on the ITEM page using one keyword. Once the desired item is available it can add to cart and checkout very fast. This auto purchasing BestBuy Bot can work on Firefox Browser so it can run in all Operating Systems. It can run for multiple items simultaneously.
wasi-libc - WASI libc implementation for WebAssembly
wgpu-rs - Rust bindings to wgpu native library
node-sqlite3 - SQLite3 bindings for Node.js
naga - Universal shader translation in Rust
wasmtime - A fast and secure runtime for WebAssembly