Greenplum VS ClickHouse

Friends don't let their friends choose Mysql :)

A super long time ago (decades) when I was using Oracle regularly I had to make a decision on which way to go. Although Mysql then had the mindshare I thought that Postgres was more similar to Oracle, more standards compliant, and more of a real enterprise type of DB. The rumor was also that Postgres was heavier than MySQL. Too many horror stories of lost data (MyIsam), bad transactions (MyIsam lacks transaction integrity), and the number of Mysql gotchas being a really long list influenced me.

In time I actually found out that I had underestimated one of the most important attributes of Postgres that was a huge strength over Mysql: the power of community. Because Postgres has a really superb community that can be found on Libera Chat and elsewhere, and they are very willing to help out, I think Postgres has a huge advantage over Mysql. RhodiumToad [Andrew Gierth] https://github.com/RhodiumToad & davidfetter [David Fetter] https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfetter are incredibly helpful folks.

I don't know that Postgres' licensing made a huge difference or not but my perception is that there are a ton of 3rd party products based on Postgres but customized to specific DB needs because of the more liberalness of the PG license which is MIT/BSD derived https://www.postgresql.org/about/licence/

Some of the PG based 3rd party DBs:

Enterprise DB https://www.enterprisedb.com/ - general purpose PG with some variants

Greenplum https://greenplum.org/ - Data warehousing

Crunchydata https://www.crunchydata.com/products/hardened-postgres - high security Postgres for regulated environments

Citus https://www.citusdata.com - Distributed DB & Columnar

Timescale https://www.timescale.com/

Why Choose PG today?

If you want better ACID: Postgres

If you want more compliant SQL: Postgres

If you want more customizability to a variety of use-cases: Postgres using a variant

If you want the flexibility of using NOSQL at times: Postgres

If you want more product knowledge reusability for other backend products: Postgres

I was wondering if anyone had thought about using this to experiment with the planner.

The engineering and support teams at Greenplum, a fork of Postgres, have a tool (minirepro[0]) which, given a sql query, can grab a minimal set of DDLs and the associated statistics for the tables involved in the query that can then be loaded into a "local" GPDB instance. Having the DDL and the statistics meant the team was able to debug issues in the optimizer (example [1]), without having access to a full set of data. This approach, if my understanding is correct, could be enabled in the browser with this Postgres WASM capability.

[0] https://github.com/greenplum-db/gpdb/blob/6X_STABLE/gpMgmt/b...

A database solution architect at AWS, with over 10 years of experience in the database industry. Lili has been involved in the R&D of the Hadoop/Hive NoSQL database, enterprise-level database DB2, distributed data warehouse Greenplum/Apache HAWQ and Amazon’s cloud native database.

Today, it is normal for enterprises to leverage diversified databases. In my market of expertise, China, in the Internet industry, MySQL together with data sharding middleware is the go to architecture, with GreenPlum, HBase, Elasticsearch, Clickhouse and other big data ecosystems being auxiliary computing engine for analytical data. At the same time, some legacy systems (such as SQLServer legacy from .NET transformation, or Oracle legacy from outsourcing) can still be found in use. In the financial industry, Oracle or DB2 is still heavily used as the core transaction system. New business is migrating to MySQL or PostgreSQL. In addition to transactional databases, analytical databases are increasingly diversified as well.

Green Plum

PostgreSQL is a free and advanced database system with the capacity to handle a lot of data. It’s available for very large data in several forms like Greenplum and Redshift on Amazon. It is open source and is managed by an organized and very principled community.

2003 - https://greenplum.org/

There's Greenplum!

Yes, we are working on it! :) Taking some of the learnings from current experimental JSON Object datatype, we are now working on what will become the production-ready implementation. Details here: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/54864

Variant datatype is already available as experimental in 24.1, Dynamic datatype is WIP (PR almost ready), and JSON datatype is next up. Check out the latest comment on that issue with how the Dynamic datatype will work: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/54864#issuec...

In our repository, I've set up a few hard limits: each translation unit cannot spend more than a certain amount of memory for compilation and a certain amount of CPU time, and the compiled binary has to be not larger than a certain size.

When these limits are reached, the CI stops working, and we have to remove the bloat: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/61121

Although these limits are too generous as of today: for example, the maximum CPU time to compile a translation unit is set to 1000 seconds, and the memory limit is 5 GB, which is ridiculously high.

I have a project dedicated to this topic: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickBench

It is important to explain the limitations of a benchmark, provide a methodology, and make it reproducible. It also has to be simple enough, otherwise it will not be realistic to include a large number of participants.

I'm also collecting all database benchmarks I could find: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/issues/22398

ClickHouse: A fast open-source column-oriented database management system. ClickHouse is designed for real-time analytics on large datasets and excels in high-speed data insertion and querying, making it ideal for real-time monitoring and reporting.

Today we're going to create an UDF (User-defined Function) in Golang that can be run inside Clickhouse query, this function will parse uuid v1 and return timestamp of it since Clickhouse doesn't have this function for now. Inspired from the python version with TabSeparated delimiter (since it's easiest to parse), UDF in Clickhouse will read line by line (each row is each line, and each text separated with tab is each column/cell value):

For the third, examples here might be analytics plugins in specialized databases like Clickhouse, data-transformations in places like your ETL pipeline using Airflow or Fivetran, or special integrations in your authentication workflow with Auth0 hooks and rules.

Online analytical processing (OLAP) databases like Apache Druid, Apache Pinot, and ClickHouse shine in addressing user-initiated analytical queries. You might write a query to analyze historical data to find the most-clicked products over the past month efficiently using OLAP databases. When contrasting with streaming databases, they may not be optimized for incremental computation, leading to challenges in maintaining the freshness of results. The query in the streaming database focuses on recent data, making it suitable for continuous monitoring. Using streaming databases, you can run queries like finding the top 10 sold products where the “top 10 product list” might change in real-time.

Proton is a lightweight streaming processing "add-on" for ClickHouse, and we are making these delta parts as standalone as possible. Meanwhile contributing back to the ClickHouse community can also help a lot.

Please check this PR from the proton team: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pull/54870

curl https://clickhouse.com/ | sh

But I continue to find garbage in some of our CI scripts.

Here is an example: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/pull/58794/files

The right way is to:

- always pin versions of all packages;