garden VS okteto

Hey there! Have you tried garden.io for caching? We also cache tests. Pretty much anything that's possible to cache. We're open source at https://github.com/garden-io/garden

To add to what's already been said: If you think about it, CI pipelines are typically a complete description of how your system is built, tested, and deployed.

Which is pretty fantastic except for how walled off they are. You can't really re-use these descriptions for e.g. development, they're not vendor agnostic, and they only way to run them is by pushing your code.

Maybe it's a silly analogy but it's almost like being a web dev that doesn't have a browser and needs to send their code to a friend who can tell them if that font size looks good.

I think we're way over due for freeing these "blueprints" of our system from the confines of CI and making them portable and flexible. And containers are the technology that's enabling that.

Full disclaimer (as always): I work at Garden[0] where we're also solving that problem but taking a slightly different approach to Dagger (it's still a DAG). Garden config is declarative and the jobs (we call them actions) have a semantic meaning. You can e.g. have a Build action of type container or a Deploy action of type Helm and Garden will figure out what to do with it.

[0] https://github.com/garden-io/garden

Yes, there's us over at https://github.com/garden-io/garden! We're big believers in pipelines that run anywhere. I even made a short little video that should give you the gist. [1]

Some of the short-list of differences: we use YAML for our configuration language, Dagger can use full-fat languages to define its pipelines. Our feature scope is broader: you can use us to vend IDP-like stacks to your developers if you're a Platform Team; we make development with remote Kubernetes clusters very easy, including all the remote image builds; and we have a number of integrations so you can bring your IaC tool of choice (Pulumi, Terraform) into your pipeline and set up service -> infra dependencies.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnan6s2cDg

Me too. In fact Garden (dev tooling for the Kubernetes)[0] is a Berlin start-up with three Icelandic founders.

And if I'm not mistaken, two of us worked briefly with @halldorel (above commenter) at an earlier Icelandic start-up. It's a small world (if you're Icelandic).

[0] https://garden.io

There are dedicated tools just for that. Apart from skaffold check also tilt.dev, garden.io, devspace.sh, okteto.com

Would appreciate any insights on garden.io. Thanks.

Telepresence, tilt, garden.io, okteto, skaffold etc.

- https://garden.io/

haha, do my pictures give off a strong not-web-dev vibe? Either way your right, I'm focusing on devxp and automation for kubernetes. Because my work is open source you can see it here https://github.com/garden-io/garden (btw we're also hiring another open core dev like me)

There are dedicated tools just for that. Apart from skaffold check also tilt.dev, garden.io, devspace.sh, okteto.com

Check also devspace.sh and okteto.com

You can consider using okteto for development environments, it lets you deploy your local code directly to k8s replacing the existing pods, our team uses it and it works pretty well with Golang.

Okteto is an application that allows you to develop inside a container, along with many features it permit the user to start a development environment and provide an automatic SSL Endpoints for k8s.

With Infrastructure as Code at its current state of maturity, it’s now easier than ever to replicate microservice environments in the cloud. This unlocked a new approach of having a personal production-like cloud environment for every developer, which they can use freely and in isolation. It comes in two flavors - persistent environments, or ephemeral environments created on demand with products like Okteto or Bunnyshell (also sometimes called Environment as a Service)1. This approach overcomes the resource limitations of the local environment but substitutes them for some new difficulties:

Remote development will be popular? Yes.

But developing in a monolithic machine may be not. The development environment should be clean and isolated, and products like gitpod and coder is promising.

Besides this, maybe you can have a look at https://github.com/tensorchord/envd and https://github.com/okteto/okteto

Okteto accelerates the development workflow of Kubernetes applications. You write your code locally and okteto detects the changes and instantly updates your Kubernetes applications.

Hey! Recently, I’ve been playing around with [Okteto](https://www.okteto.com/) to see how it helps with the local development of apps that will run in Kubernetes. It seems to be quite a good option for developers who don’t want to spend their time dealing with setting up and maintaining clusters. Moreover, you can use a development environment from Okteto without thinking about CI/CD pipelines for delivering the app.So, instead of working on your code locally and deploying it then to the cluster, the whole development process is shifted straight to K8s. That makes Okteto approach a bit different from what other projects, like Skaffold and werf, do. To implement this idea, they offer a [CLI tool](https://github.com/okteto/okteto) and their own cloud provided as both SaaS and self-hosted (it has a limited free option).Here is [my overview](https://blog.flant.com/okteto-cloud-for-local-development-in-kubernetes/) of Okteto; any feedback — especially, your own experience — is more than welcome.

There's a long long route to cloudification, but works like Okteto[1] seem like a nice early pass at doing what Docker-Compose was capable of for fast local development, but modern. Pursuing remote-development makes a lot of sense. There's already solid VSCode integration[2].

If you just need a terminal like thing to local-dev in, toolbx[3] is probably the first choice.

[1] https://github.com/okteto/okteto

[2] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=okteto.r...

[3] https://containertoolbx.org/

Hi Jacob. I am one of the founders of Okteto (https://okteto.com/), a remote development platform for Compose and Kubernetes applications. We use Syncthing to sync code between the developer laptop and pods running in Kubernetes. I would love to know your thoughts on the strengths and weak points of Mutagen vs Syncthing for this use case.