ideas VS Poetry

Recent CPython development has been towards optimizations and addressing use cases that benefit from optimizations, some coming from the faster CPython initiative. You might just get your JIT[1].

[1] https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/wiki/Workflow-for-3....

The faster-cpython folks seem to be working towards a JIT (https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/tree/main/3.13) and both pyston and cinder have JITs. So I don't think anyone has ruled one out.

You should look into the copy & patch efforts underway for Python[0]; an actual JIT will probably never exist but I think c&p has a shot of being mainlined in the next few years, such that Python could dynamically choose to either run the interpreter or a c&p option.

0: https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/issues/588

faster-cpython team has done a lot of work to experiment on it: https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/issues/485#issuecomm...

It kind of sounds like migration to register based is a foregone conclusion, but it's not very clear to me.

lots of big ideas are still remaining to be done. One example is the register based interpreter, see https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/issues/485

A previous plan called for the beginning of a JIT in 3.12, seen as "Trace optimized interpreter" here: https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/wiki/Workflow-for-3....

Bignums are heap-allocated and not deduplicated, so they cease having the same identity. One day CPython might do the same, but previous attempts have always stalled.

Guido himself is involved in the faster-cpython project though (which is responsible for these performance improvements).

https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas

I got a massive jump in performance when moving from Python 3.8 to 3.10 (over some function call optimizations I think, based on the project). And 3.11 got even better (up to 50% faster on special cases, and 10~15% on average) with respect to 3.10. Python 3.12 is already getting even more speedups and a there's a lot more down the road[0].

But Python core developers value keeping "not breaking anyones code" (Python 3 itself was a huge trip on that aspect and they're not making that mistake again), that's why things may seem slow on their end. But work is being done, and the results are there if you benchmark things.

[0] See https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/blob/main/FasterCPyt... however that's over a year old already and I'm sure I've read/heard more specifics

For what it's worth, the CPython core/Faster CPython developers are actively investigating implementations of this idea: https://github.com/faster-cpython/ideas/issues/485 .

You can manage dependencies in Python with the package manager pip, which comes pre-installed with Python. Pip allows you to install and uninstall Python packages, and it uses a requirements.txt file to keep track of which packages your project depends on. However, pip does not have robust dependency resolution features or isolate dependencies for different projects; this is where tools like pipenv and poetry come in. These tools create a virtual environment for each project, separating the project's dependencies from the system-wide Python environment and other projects.

Poetry provides packaging and dependency management for Python. If you haven't already, install poetry via pip:

The Semantify repository provides an example Astro.js project. Ensure you have poetry installed, then build the project from the root of the repository:

Has anyone else been paying attention to how hilariously hard it is to package PyTorch in poetry?

https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/6409

Based on this comment 5 days ago[0], it's working? I'm not sure didn't dig in too far but based on that comment it seems fair to say that it's not fully Poetry's fault because torch removed hashes (which poetry needs to be effective) for a while only recently adding it back in.

Not sure where I would stand if I fully investigated it tho.

[0] https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/6409#issuecom...

We will be running this project in Python 3.10 on Mac/Linux, and we will use Poetry to manage our dependencies. Later, we will bundle our app into a container using docker for deployment.

Here are the two main packaging issues I run into, specifically when using Poetry:

1) Lack of support for building extension modules (as mentioned by the article). There is a workaround using an undocumented feature [0], which I've tried, but ultimately decided it was not the right approach. I still use Poetry, but build the extension as a separate step in CI, rather than kludging it into Poetry.

2) Lack of support for offline installs [1], e.g. being able to download the dependencies, copy them to another machine, and perform the install from the downloaded dependencies (similar to using "pip --no-index --find-links=."). Again, you can work around this (by using "poetry export --with-credentials" and "pip download" for fetching the dependencies, then firing up pypiserver [2] to run a local PyPI server on the offline machine), but ideally this would all be a first class feature of Poetry, similar to how it is in pip.

I don't have the capacity to create Pull Requests for addressing these issues with Poetry, and I'm very grateful for the maintainers and those who do contribute. Instead, on the linked issues I share my notes on the matter, in the hope that it may at least help others and potentially get us closer to a solution.

Regardless, I'm sticking with Poetry for now. Though to be fair, the only other Python packaging tools I've used extensively are Pipenv and pip/setuptools. It's time consuming to thoroughly try out these other packaging tools, and is generally lower priority than developing features/fixing bugs, so it's helpful to read about the author's experience with these other tools, such as PDM and Hatch.

[0] https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/2740

[1] https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/2184

[2] https://pypi.org/project/pypiserver/

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