create-react-app-zero
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create-react-app-zero
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Writing JavaScript without a build system
https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero
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Why is the JavaScript ecosystem like this
No build frontend dev is a thing, although obscure.
Preact has a no build path in their documentation: https://preactjs.com/guide/v10/getting-started/#no-build-too...
And here’s my no build react setup: https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero
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Ask HN: Programming Without a Build System?
Not really the thing you’re looking for, but for those looking for a toolless approach static web apps are a possibility. Host a folder on github pages, put an index.html file in there, start coding.
Plugging my own repo: https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero
It is a version of create react app that works in that way, no build tools needed, only a static web server for local development.
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What unpopular webdev opinions do you have?
For example, I made a version of create react app that requires zero build tools and IMHO doesn't concede too much in developer experience. To be fair, I am not using this myself professionally, but as a proof of concept I think it's pretty interesting to see what's possible. https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero
- JS is USELESS without ... [fill in the blank]
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Is the madness ever going to end?
I have been in professional web development since 2004 and I mostly agree with the author that there are massive amounts of groupthink going on. "Modern" web development has standardized in tool stacks which are insanely complicated, far beyond anything that is warranted in most cases. We have forgotten how to make simple things in simple ways.
At a minimum you need node, npm, webpack, babel, an spa framework, a frontend router, a css transpiler, a css framework, a test runner, a testing functions library, and a bunch of smaller things, and that's just what is "needed" to build a static website with a bit of interaction. We're not even talking about the dockerized insanity that happens as soon as you want to slide an API under that beast.
I understand why every piece is there, I was there when they arrived on the scene, I understand what problem they solve. What I don't understand is why as a group web developers have decided this is the only way to solve the problem of web development. What we don't have are simpler web stacks. Why do we need npm or babel at all to make a simple web frontend? Modern browsers are good enough that with the right tooling we don't need build pipelines or package managers. Similar arguments can be made for the server-side parts.
Anyway, here's my own two cents to a simpler web dev stack: a version of create react app that is entirely self-contained and has no build steps. https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero
- Show HN: Create React App Zero, a no build tools way of making a React app
mu1
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Small Project Build Systems (2021)
I got sick of juggling code that migrated from one category to the other, so I wrote a little script that deals with chopping up a large source file into multiple TUs before feeding them to the compiler.
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build2
More details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33574154#33575045
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Ask HN: Programming Without a Build System?
This really speaks to me. Modern software is too hard to assemble from source. If you're shipping sources, every moving part you add increases the odds of something going wrong on other people's computers.
It's worth having some skepticism of tools. By making some operations easy, tools encourage them. Build systems make it easy to bloat software. Package managers make it easy to bloat dependencies. This dynamic explains why Python in particular has such a terrible package management story. It's been around longer than Node or Rust, so if they seem better -- wait 10 years!
For many of my side projects I try to minimize moving parts for anyone (usually the '1' is literally true) who tries them out. I work in Unix, and one thing I built is a portable shell script that acts like a build system while being much more transparent about what it does: https://codeberg.org/akkartik/basic-build
When I use this script my build instructions are more verbose, but I think that's a good thing. They're more explicit for newcomers, and they also impose costs that nudge me to keep my programs minimalist.
You can see this build system evolve to add partial builds and parallel builds in one of my projects:
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build0
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build1
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build2
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build3
https://github.com/akkartik/mu1/blob/master/build4
Each of these does the same thing for this one repo -- build it -- but adding successively more bells and whistles.
I think providing just the most advanced version, build4, would do my users a disservice. It's also the most likely to break, where build0 is rock solid. If my builds do break for someone, they can poke around and downgrade to a simpler version.
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10 Years Against Division of Labor in Software
Totally agreed!
Here's a prototype from a few years ago where I tried to make this easier: https://github.com/akkartik/mu1#readme (read just the first few paragraphs)
I still think the full answer lies in this direction.
What are some alternatives?
Telegram-web-z - Telegram Web Z, GPL v3
iceberg - Twitter hit an iceberg, let's replace the ship by Thanksgiving (Nov 24, 2022)
unik - The Unikernel & MicroVM Compilation and Deployment Platform
WikidPad - WikidPad is a single user desktop wiki
Odin - Odin Programming Language
mstoical - MStoical - a Forth like language, but better
pyenv-virtualenv - a pyenv plugin to manage virtualenv (a.k.a. python-virtualenv)
htmx - </> htmx - high power tools for HTML
llvm-mingw - An LLVM/Clang/LLD based mingw-w64 toolchain
Visual Studio Code - Visual Studio Code
squeak.org - Squeak/Smalltalk Website