create-react-app-zero VS msw

https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero

No build frontend dev is a thing, although obscure.

Preact has a no build path in their documentation: https://preactjs.com/guide/v10/getting-started/#no-build-too...

And here’s my no build react setup: https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero

Not really the thing you’re looking for, but for those looking for a toolless approach static web apps are a possibility. Host a folder on github pages, put an index.html file in there, start coding.

Plugging my own repo: https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero

It is a version of create react app that works in that way, no build tools needed, only a static web server for local development.

For example, I made a version of create react app that requires zero build tools and IMHO doesn't concede too much in developer experience. To be fair, I am not using this myself professionally, but as a proof of concept I think it's pretty interesting to see what's possible. https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero

I have been in professional web development since 2004 and I mostly agree with the author that there are massive amounts of groupthink going on. "Modern" web development has standardized in tool stacks which are insanely complicated, far beyond anything that is warranted in most cases. We have forgotten how to make simple things in simple ways.

At a minimum you need node, npm, webpack, babel, an spa framework, a frontend router, a css transpiler, a css framework, a test runner, a testing functions library, and a bunch of smaller things, and that's just what is "needed" to build a static website with a bit of interaction. We're not even talking about the dockerized insanity that happens as soon as you want to slide an API under that beast.

I understand why every piece is there, I was there when they arrived on the scene, I understand what problem they solve. What I don't understand is why as a group web developers have decided this is the only way to solve the problem of web development. What we don't have are simpler web stacks. Why do we need npm or babel at all to make a simple web frontend? Modern browsers are good enough that with the right tooling we don't need build pipelines or package managers. Similar arguments can be made for the server-side parts.

Anyway, here's my own two cents to a simpler web dev stack: a version of create react app that is entirely self-contained and has no build steps. https://github.com/jsebrech/create-react-app-zero

While mocks are effective, they require modifying the component's internal logic or mocking global functions like fetch. This can become cumbersome for complex components with numerous API interactions. Here's where MSW shines.

> For those wondering what the use case is, you must not have tried it. It does take work to set up (with each version that's less), but it can be very nice to test in isolation esp in cases where a component is under a login, the 4th page of a 10 page form, etc. Also obviously if you're working on a component library that ships without an app, Storybook can be your development and/or demo app.

I have worked with storybook extensively over the past couple of years and my team is moving away from it in favour of MSW (https://mswjs.io).

For "4th page of a 10 page form" during the development there's hot reloading which is really stable nowadays and haven't failed me, although I understand that some setups are old and it might be easier to configure Storybook than good hot reloading.

I'm not entirely sure about the testing part of it and I'd be grateful if you could elaborate. I haven't felt the need for some special setup with SB because for unit tests, I can test a deeply nested component separately. For E2E tests, I usually test the whole form.

I agree on the component library part, this is probably the only use case where Storybook is 100% justified, but I'm unconvinced about the

Additionally, thank you to all our community launch partners across the frontend ecosystem for helping us bring Storybook 8 to the world! Thanks to Chromatic, Figma, ViteConf, Omlet, DivRiots, story.to.design, StackBlitz, UXpin, Nx, Mock Service Worker, Anima, Zeplin, zeroheight, kickstartDS, and Kendo UI.

similar with msw.js, but fully automated

they could be network mocks (use msw)

With orval, we can also integrate the API client in our unit tests. Orval provides first class support for mocking through the (Mock Service Worker)[https://mswjs.io/] library, and it can automatically generate the MSW handlers for testing server.

Consider a hypothetical scenario where data from a list of companies within an ERP needs to be retrieved. As a personal recommendation, leverage tools like MSW for top-level mocks, which can significantly enhance the testing process.