cjdns VS innernet

This sub is not about TOR and all the seediness that goes on there but rather about creating darknets, by which we/they mean mesh networks and encrypted networks using tools like https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/

One of my favorite projects in IPv6 space is the CJDNS project: LINK TO GITHUB

From a purely networking perspective, there are far better solutions than tailscale.

Have a look at full mesh VPNs like:

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go

https://github.com/gsliepen/tinc

https://github.com/costela/wesher

These build actual mesh networks where every node is equal and can serve as a router for other nodes to resolve difficult network topologies (where some nodes might not be connected to the internet, but do have connections to other nodes with an internet connection).

Sending data through multiple routers is also possible. They also deal with nodes disappearing and change routes accordingly.

tailscale (and similar solutions like netbird) still use a bunch of "proxy servers" for that. You can set them up on intermediate nodes, but that have to be dealt with manually (and you get two kinds of nodes).

I'm excited about P2P/decentralized/distributed overlay networks. Still catching up so would be grateful for tips on resources.

Pinecone[0][1], newer initiative made by former Yggdrasil[2] maker(s).

CJDNS[3].

AIUI CJDNS relies on intermediary high-uptime discoverable router nodes which is what is motivating Pinecone. POKT[4][5] to CJDNS seems like what Filecoin is to IPFS.

I'm yet to get around to doing the groundwork of grokking more established solutions like B.A.T.M.A.N. and how all these pieces fit together,

[0]: https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/matrix_p2p_pinecone/

[1]: https://github.com/matrix-org/pinecone

[2]: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/

[3]: https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/

[4]: https://www.pokt.network/

[5]: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=-xgRUAA_p5E

CJDNS, a further step towards automatic and cryptographically secure nodes at the protocol level#23077

I know there is the Whitepaper. Maybe I miss the part, but I am looking how the path/next Hop is generated.

yggdrasil is a cjdns clone with different routing

cjdns has a whitepaper

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepape...

I was really excited for a moment, because I thought this was cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns.

Innernet is a barebone alternative. https://github.com/tonarino/innernet

Very relatable! At first, I struggled for days trying to make Netmaker or Innernet functional for my personal home server (Raspberry Pi behind multiple routers). But then I stumbled upon ZeroTier, and everything worked seamlessly within a couple of hours. Tailscale was actually the next one on my list because I heard many positive things about it over at r/selfhosted (especially about headscale). However, I did not end up testing it after ZeroTier worked.

Not if you are running wireguard without any management client/server like Netmaker or innernet or any of the many others like them.

I use the GCP free instance as my innernet coordination server (Wireguard mesh vpn). Which is extremely low traffic.

Or why not the open source tool innernet? https://github.com/tonarino/innernet

I wonder if this might improve over a more modern transport, if you were using an IPSec VPN.

Wireguard is enabling us to re-think what's possible over a VPN. Here's an example of what I mean. The network stack is based on Wireguard, with https://github.com/tonarino/innernet providing the topology and identity provisioning.

Virtual Private Network: Innernet, MASQ