Beef VS v

Is it really a one man show? It looks like Beef Lang has excellent home page https://www.beeflang.org/ and I never heard about it until now.

Jai is dead, this is the year of Beef from the genius behind Plants vs. Zombies and Bookworm Adventures Deluxe.

On one hand, I feel there are so many similar languages out there {(Val, Vala, Vale, Corroded Iron, Beef, Zig, Carbon, cppfront, Jai)...}, that we don't need yet another, but also I encourage further thought because it may be inspiration for future improvements to C++ itself. The number one faux pas I see them make is trying to directly compete with C++ (inventing their own type system, their standard library, their build system, own package format...), whereas your (by its very nature as a transpiler) embraces C++.

This project is an exploration of two things. Firstly I wanted to dig into the exciting new language and IDE, Beef. If you're the low-level code oriented type I _highly_ recommend checking it out. Beef is a systems-level language (like C/C++) that borrows heavily from C# but ditches the garbage collector. It comes with a wonderful IDE and a great debugger and just an excellent work flow. Check it out at https://www.beeflang.org/.

That's why I love C#, Rust and Beef so much - no need to worry about pointers and segfaults and the code is generally nice to read unless you do something extremely crazy.

Their site is clearly showing the language is in beta. The V documentation also states that autofree is WIP, and to use the GC instead. This isn't a corporate created language, but looks to be a true volunteer open source effort from people around the world.

Their community, in comparison to others, even has their discussions open and open threads for criticism[1]. These

[1]https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610

V also has this https://github.com/vlang/v/blob/master/doc/docs.md#embed_fil...

Goroutines was the selling point for me until they decided to introduce telemetry in their toolchain; that was what forced me to stop using Golang as a whole.

About GC, I would say: if you implement C++'s RAII mechanism to replace garbage collection, then I believe this project will have a bright future.

My final question is the following: how `pcz` compares to V language, from a syntax's perspective [1]?

[1] https://github.com/vlang/v

V has the right to exist, have its supporters, and do things its own way. The creator and developers of V, from what I have seen, has always responded well to constructive criticism. Their language has discussions opened at their GitHub, unlike those for various other languages. They even have a thread for what people don't like and want improved about the language[1], again, something many other languages don't have.

A lot of what was going on initially, was coming from obvious competitors, to include being uncivil, inflammatory, and insulting. The initial "criticism" was not so much that, but false accusations of the language being a scam, vaporware, fraud, or didn't really exist. To include attacks and jealousy about its funding and having supporters. This was not any kind of "valid" criticism, that the creator or contributors of the language could reason about.

The "criticism" never died down, but rather after V was open-sourced and established itself on GitHub. The initial series of false accusations could not stand nor could the support it was getting be stopped. So, the rhetoric and targets shifted to whatever could be found to go after on the newly released alpha version of the language and its new website. In that new mix of what was being thrown at it, there were indeed some very valid criticisms, as can be found with any new language.

Constructive and valid criticism, is not the same as insults, trolling, misinformation, rivalry, or false accusations. There is clearly a difference. It's disingenuous to pretend something from one group is the same as the other, or that the intent behind what is being done is not different.

[1] https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610