arrow2 VS pyodide

One of the interesting components of Polars that I've been watching is the use of the Apache Arrow memory format, which is a standard layout for data in memory that enables processing (querying, iterating, calculating, etc) in a language agnostic way, in particular without having to copy/convert it into the local object format first. This enables cross-language data access by mmaping or transferring a single buffer, with zero [de]serialization overhead.

For some history, there's has been a bit of contention between the official arrow-rs implementation and the arrow2 implementation created by the polars team which includes some extra features that they find important. I think the current status is that everyone agrees that having two crates that implement the same standard is not ideal, and they are working to port any necessary features to the arrow-rs crate and plan on eventually switching to it and deprecating arrow2. But that's not easy.

https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/1176

https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2/pull/1476

https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2 https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion https://github.com/apache/arrow-ballista https://github.com/pola-rs/polars https://github.com/duckdb/duckdb

Currently datafusion and polars aren't directly operable iirc because they use different underlying arrows implementations, but there seems to be work being done on that here https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2/issues/1429

[arrow2](https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2) and [parquet2](https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/parquet2) are great foundational libraries for and DataFrame libs in Rust.

[1] https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2

In lockstep with arrow2's 0.13 release, we have published polars 0.23.0.

This is so freaking life-saving! - we have been using StreamingIterator and FallibleStreamingIterator in libraries (arrow2 and parquet2) and the existing landscape is quite confusing for new users!

arrow2 has support for mssql via ODBC (which microsoft has first class support to). Here are the integration tests we have (both read and write) against mssql specifically.

We implemented an in-browser Python editor/interpreter built on Pyodide over at Comet (our users are data scientists who need to build custom visualizations quite often, and the most familiar language for most of them is Python).

One of the issues you'll run into is that Pyodide only works by default with packages that have pure Python wheels available. The team has developed support for some libraries with C dependencies (like scikit-learn, I believe), but frameworks like PyTorch are particularly thorny (see this issue: https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide/issues/1625 )

We ended up rolling out a new version of our Python visualizations that runs off-browser, in order to support enough libraries/get the performance we need: https://www.comet.com/docs/v2/guides/comet-ui/experiment-man...

Thank you! Yes, one of the items in the Roadmap is support for Pyodide (https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide) for running in-browser python on the results of each of the code blocks! This should allow most ML libs to be usable in-browser! This is pretty high-up on our priority list.

If I understand correctly, WASM only makes sense for compiled languages, you can run the python interpreter in WASM of course[1], but that will be at a significant performance disadvantage to the native javascript interpreter, and it's also something that has to be loaded every time you load the website.

[1]: https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide

If you absolutely need something comparable to Sympy, then one option might be to figure out how to best call Sympy from Rust. e.g. - RustPython, although it seems like Sympy isn't supported yet - Pyodide, and figuring out how to run it outside of a web browser. Probably also not very easy. - PyPy, and having a pretty simple Python binary for every platform - ...

For running programming languages other than JavaScript in the browser there is Emscripten and WebAssembly. There is v86, where a Linux build is compiled to WASM. Folks have written QuickJS into a Linux build compiled to WASM, Node.js into the Linux buildroot https://github.com/cemalgnlts/now, so Python or CPython can be written to the image and loaded into the browser as WASM as well https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide.

There's a Python runtime that runs on WebAssembly (https://github.com/pyodide/pyodide). I have no idea what it's like, I've never used it.

Still in a quest to provide some tooling to quickly compose documentation websites: https://github.com/synw/docdundee . As I have tons of libs to document and was tired of managing restructured language for readthedocs I started with this, and now it has executable Python examples in the frontend via a Pyodide wrapper composable: usePython

This project's brand new and a lil hacky, but I've already reached out to the scikit-learn team, and they recommended that I experiment with using Pyodide as an alternative backend for the Python bridge.