arrow-datafusion VS tikv

Python's Substrait seems like the biggest/most-used competitor-ish out there. I'd love some compare & contrast; my sense is that Substrait has a smaller ambition, and more wants to be a language for talking about execution rather than a full on execution engine. https://github.com/substrait-io/substrait

We can also see from the DataFusion discussion that they too see themselves as a bit of a Velox competitor. https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/discussions/6441

Agree, substrait is a really cool project! Related: if you like substrait you might want to check out datafusion too. The project is a query execution engine built on top of Apache Arrow (with SQL parser, query planner & optimizer, execution engine, extensible user defined functions, among others) and it implements a substrait provider and consumer: https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/tree/main/datafus...

The draft contains some preliminary benchmark results, comparing it to DuckDB.

https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/6782

Apache Arrow is a pretty common memory structure these days. Datafusion is an open query engine built in Rust started by Andy Grove.

DuckDB is a great piece of software if you are

If you are looking for a query engine implemented in a safe language (Rust) I definitely suggest checking out DataFusion. It is comparable to DuckDB in performance, has all the standard built in SQL functionality, and is extensible in pretty much all areas (query language, data formats, catalogs, user defined functions, etc)

https://arrow.apache.org/datafusion/

Disclaimer I am a maintainer of DataFusion

https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2 https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion https://github.com/apache/arrow-ballista https://github.com/pola-rs/polars https://github.com/duckdb/duckdb

Problem comes when you want to do this inside an async context since we couldn't block an async task. https://users.rust-lang.org/t/sync-function-invoking-async/43364/6 You might need to do it in another runtime/thread. It is not recommended to do this, but sometimes it is unavoidable while implementing a third-party trait. https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/3777 However, I believe this isn't a problem particular to tokio, or any specific runtime.

I know that very similar functionality to this is in TiDB Serverless ( https://tidbcloud.com ). TiDB is a distributed relational database. It uses TiKV ( which is a key/value engine ) as the storage engine. You could use SQL to access your K/V records. There is ongoing work in TiKV to support S3 directly as the storage backend ( https://github.com/tikv/tikv/issues/6506 ) .

TiKV is basically a layer on top of rocksdb https://github.com/tikv/tikv/blob/956610725039835557e7516828...

> Many,many smart people…

If you look inside the code you can see the stated features are a result of underlying engine (TiKV [0] also in c and rust from pingcap). Surrealdb is standing on shoulders of giants at present, they are TiKV, FoundationDB and rocksdb. The feature set they mentioned mostly coming from TiKV at present.

[0] https://tikv.org/

Hi Diggsey, great question. We are currently focussed on functionality and stability, and then will draw our attention to performance. Coming this week we have a RocksDB storage implementation. We've only just launched our initial beta version, and we know there is a lot of improvement and work to be done (some of these performance issues we know about already and are on our Github issues list).

With regards to the consistency/isolation model, SurrealDB sits on top of a number of key-value stores. By using the distributed highly-available TiKV storage backend, https://tikv.org, (and we have a FoundationDB integration in the works), the database is designed to be highly-scalable and highly-available. The same guarantees (albeit just single-node, so no high-availability or scalability) will be available with the RocksDB implementation coming this week. By sitting on top of these key-value stores, SurrealDB ensures that all transactions are ACID compliant. We don't want to go for speed (for instance by writing to /dev/null) over anything, but want SurrealDB to be a reliable and performant backend for any application. Obviously we have a way to go to catch up with PostgreSQL (launched in 1996), but we will strive to get there!

If you are looking for a production ready distributed store written in Rust. Check out TiKV(https://github.com/tikv/tikv), which was also mentioned in the acknowledge section of the project's README.

There's also a full-featured distributed RDBMS called TiDB built on top of TiKV.