arrow-datafusion VS nushell

Python's Substrait seems like the biggest/most-used competitor-ish out there. I'd love some compare & contrast; my sense is that Substrait has a smaller ambition, and more wants to be a language for talking about execution rather than a full on execution engine. https://github.com/substrait-io/substrait

We can also see from the DataFusion discussion that they too see themselves as a bit of a Velox competitor. https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/discussions/6441

Agree, substrait is a really cool project! Related: if you like substrait you might want to check out datafusion too. The project is a query execution engine built on top of Apache Arrow (with SQL parser, query planner & optimizer, execution engine, extensible user defined functions, among others) and it implements a substrait provider and consumer: https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/tree/main/datafus...

The draft contains some preliminary benchmark results, comparing it to DuckDB.

https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/6782

Apache Arrow is a pretty common memory structure these days. Datafusion is an open query engine built in Rust started by Andy Grove.

DuckDB is a great piece of software if you are

If you are looking for a query engine implemented in a safe language (Rust) I definitely suggest checking out DataFusion. It is comparable to DuckDB in performance, has all the standard built in SQL functionality, and is extensible in pretty much all areas (query language, data formats, catalogs, user defined functions, etc)

https://arrow.apache.org/datafusion/

Disclaimer I am a maintainer of DataFusion

https://github.com/jorgecarleitao/arrow2 https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion https://github.com/apache/arrow-ballista https://github.com/pola-rs/polars https://github.com/duckdb/duckdb

Problem comes when you want to do this inside an async context since we couldn't block an async task. https://users.rust-lang.org/t/sync-function-invoking-async/43364/6 You might need to do it in another runtime/thread. It is not recommended to do this, but sometimes it is unavoidable while implementing a third-party trait. https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/3777 However, I believe this isn't a problem particular to tokio, or any specific runtime.

These are just three small examples of what this shell written in Rust allows. The features are many and many more, but I'll leave it up to you to discover and enjoy them; I'm currently playing around with it and it's giving me a lot of satisfaction and immediacy, now it has a fixed place among the tools I use when working! The project is Open Source, so if you want to contribute, I invite you, as always, to do so, I leave you the link to the repo here!

Any thoughts on fish as compared to nushell [0]? It's similar to PowerShell in its philosophy and is also written in Rust.

[0] https://github.com/nushell/nushell

> In PowerShell, structured output is the default and it seems to work very well.

PowerShell goes a step beyond JSON, by supporting actual mutable objects. So instead of just passing through structured data, you effectively pass around opaque objects that allow you to go back to earlier pipeline stages, and invoke methods, if I understand correctly: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsof....

I'm rather fond of wrappers like jc and libxo, and experimental shells like https://www.nushell.sh/. These still focus on passing data, not objects with executable methods. On some level, I find this comfortable: Structured data still feels pretty Unix-like, if that makes sense? If I want actual objects, then it's probably time to fire up Python or Ruby.

Knowing when to switch from a shell script to a full-fledged programming language is important, even if your shell is basically awesome and has good programming features.

Maybe if the "popular" shells, but http://www.nushell.sh/ is looking better and better

Yeah agreed, especially now that PowerShell is available cross-platform.

Nushell[1] also seems like a promising alternative, but I haven’t had a chance to play with it yet.

[1]: https://www.nushell.sh/

I also discovered an existing discussion[1] related to this topic which includes a link[2] to a "helper to call nushell nuon/json/yaml commands from bash/fish/zsh" and a comment[3] that the current nushell dev focus is "on getting the experience inside nushell right and [we] probably won't be able to dedicate design time to get the interface of native Nu commands with an outside POSIX shell right and stable.".

[0] https://gitlab.com/RancidBacon/notes_public/-/blob/main/note...

[1] "Expose some commands to external world #6554": https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/6554

[2] https://github.com/cruel-intentions/devshell-files/blob/mast...

[3] https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/6554#issuecomment-...

I appreciate what projects like Nushell and Murex are trying to address, but having a saner scripting language and passing structured data in pipelines is not worth the drawbacks for me.

For one, Bash scripting is not so bad if you set some sane defaults and use ShellCheck. Sure, it has its quirks, but all languages do. Even so, the same golden rule applies: use a "real" programming language if your problem exceeds a certain level of complexity. This is relative and will depend on your discomfort threshold, but using the right tool for the job is always a good practice. No matter how good the shell language is, I would hesitate to write and maintain a complex project in it.

And for general QoL improvements with interactive use, Zsh is a fine shell, while still being POSIX compatible.

[1]: https://github.com/nushell/nushell/blob/main/crates/nu-comma...

[2]: https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/5027

[3]: https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/9310

I found nushell (https://www.nushell.sh) to be an impressive replacement "bash" for Windows

In terms of philosophy, think "Powershell but actually intuitive" : Every data is structured but command names are what you expect them to be. I usually don't even need to look at the documentation.

I liked it so much that I also replaced my shell on Linux with it, so I have the same terminal experience across all OSes