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Mezzano
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A standalone zero-dependency Lisp for Linux
Have you made or plan to make any contributions to Mezzano (https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano) or are you mainly interested in seeing how far you can take this thing on your own?
- Ask HN: What are some of the most elegant codebases in your favorite language?
- Mezzano, an operating system written in Common Lisp
- Mezzano – An operating system written in Common Lisp
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Why Lisp?
>> except building compilers and OSes
SBCL is written in Lisp, yes? Except the runtime, which is C + asm.
I've heard people wrote some OSes in the past, like Genera. Or if you prefer recent attempt, try https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano. Never tried it, though.
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Help needed - new programming language
No need to.
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Dynamic, JIT-compiled language for systems programming?
Not at all. See mezzano for a notable recent example of an OS written entirely in a dynamic language.
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What help is needed for Lisp community in order to make Lisp more popular?
So..
"Why do you want to make Lisp more popular? If you were sucessful, what would be different in the world, and why is that desirable to you?"
Normally at this point I'd listen to the response, and ask more questions based on that. That would wind up with a very, very deep thread, so I'll break a cardinal rule and pre-guess at some answers.
This kind of question comes up pretty frequently. In many cases, I suspect the motivation behind the question is "Wow! Here's this cool tool I've discovered. I want to make something really useful with it. I want to do it as part of a community effort; share my excitement with others, share in their excitement, and know that what I'm making is useful because others find it desirable and are excited by it." The field could be cooking, sports, old machine tools, tiny homes, or demo scene. Its the fundemental driver for most content on HN, YouTube, Instructables, and such. It is a Good Thing.
If that is your motivator, then my suggestion is to find something that bugs you and fix it. You've already decided you're only interested in code, not other aspects. You said you preferred vim, but the emacs ecosystem has a very rich set of sharp edges that need filing off, and a rich set of tools with which to attack them.
One example: even after 50 years there's no open IDE which allows you to easily globally rename a Lisp identifier. I don't know about LispWorks or other proprietary environments, but you can't in emacs or vim do a right-click on "foo" in "(defun foo ()...)" and select a command which automatically renames it in all invocations. [Queue lots of "but you can..." replies here.] I don't think vim is up to the task of doing this internally. It would be possible in emacs; but would require a huge effort with lots of help from other people. If you emerged alive from that rabbit warren you'd join the company of Certified "How Hard Could it Be?" Mad Scientists such as Dr. "I just want to draw molecules" Meister [1] and "Wouldn't an OS in Lisp be Cool" Froggey [2].
[1] https://github.com/clasp-developers/clasp
[2] Mezzano https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
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Emacs should become a Wayland compositor
You might want to look at Mezzano which is an operation system written in Common Lisp https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
I haven’t tried it since moving to M1/ARM, but it is cool.
- are there emacs machines?
awesome-cl
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KamilaLisp – A functional, flexible and concise Lisp
Hello, a single counter-example I hope https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...
(see more from https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl?tab=readme-ov-fil...
https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html
and some more)
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Why Is Common Lisp Not the Most Popular Programming Language?
Everyone, if you don't have a clue on how's Common Lisp going these days, I suggest:
https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/107oejk/these_years_i...)
A curated list of libraries: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl
Some companies, the ones we hear about: https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/
and oh, some more editors besides Emacs or Vim: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht... (Atom/Pulsar support is good, VSCode support less so, Jetbrains one getting good, Lem is a modern Emacsy built in CL, Jupyter notebooks, cl-repl for a terminal REPL, etc)
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Common Lisp: An Interactive Approach (1992) [pdf]
check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...
- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries
- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...
- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)
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Spinneret: A modern Common Lisp HTML generator
More HTML generators for CL: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#html-generators-a... there are lispy ones (Spinneret), Django-like ones (Djula, I like it, easy to use and extend), HTML-based allowing for inline Lisp code (Ten), JSX-like ones (lsx, markup), and more.
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Common Lisp JSON parser?
https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl is usually a good place to find recommendations. Jzon is pretty good.
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All of Mark Watson's Lisp Books
> obstacles add up
I actually agree. It wasn't smooth for me to ship my first CL app. It's all better now (more tools, more documentation, more blog posts from several people, more SO questions and answers!).
> performant
SBCL is in the same ballpack of C, Rust or Java in many benchmarks.
In this article series, the author writes the same program in CL, Rust and Java. In fact, he copy-pastes a PG snippet from 30 years ago. This snippet beats Rust and Java in LOC and speed. But, yeah, he wasn't writing super efficient Rust code, so after many discussions, pull requests and sweating, the Rust code became the most performant. https://renato.athaydes.com/posts/revisiting-prechelt-paper-... It didn't take work to make the CL code performant, more so for the Rust one ;)
a benchmark after sb-simd vectorization: https://preview.redd.it/vn5juu36v2681.png?width=715&format=p... (https://www.reddit.com/r/Common_Lisp/comments/riedio/quite_a...)
> good tools for networking, for writing concurrent or asynchronous code, for graphics,
I refer the reader to https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl but yes, CL won't have the best libraries in some scenarii (GUI? Tk libs are good, we have Gtk4, a Qt5 library used in production© by a big player but difficult to install etc)
> it doesn't give you a good package manager or means of distributing code
Quicklisp is neat, with limitations, that can be addressed with Qlot, ql-https, or CLPM or the newest ocicl.
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How to Understand and Use Common Lisp
It's a good book!
Modern companions would be:
- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)
- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries
Also:
- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/
- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review
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Why Lisp?
> static strong typing
Alright, here is it: https://github.com/coalton-lang/coalton/
> small efficient native binaries
The numbers are: with SBCL's core-compression, a web app with dozens on dependencies will weight ±30 to 40MB. This includes the compiler, the debugger, etc. Without core compression, we reach ±150MB.
> The actor runtime?
the actor library: https://github.com/mdbergmann/cl-gserver
> couldn't find a way to make money with it. I suspect many other programmers are in my boat.
Alright. Some do, that's life. Yes, some companies go with CL even in 2023 (https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/lisp-interview-kina/, they released https://github.com/KinaKnowledge/juno-lang lately; Feetr (finance): https://twitter.com/feetr_io/status/1587182923911991303)
https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/
> Give us an HTTP (1.x & 2.0) and WebSockets libraries
How so? We have those libraries. HTTP/2: https://github.com/zellerin/http2/
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Peter Norvig – Paradigms of AI Programming Case Studies in Common Lisp
https://leanpub.com/lovinglisp -- this one is great, and the first thing I recommend
https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ -- also great and up to date
https://awesome-cl.com/ -- for anything else.
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I'm considering moving from Clojure to Common Lisp
I also recommend https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl, a curated list of libraries.
What are some alternatives?
mirage - MirageOS is a library operating system that constructs unikernels
awesome-lisp-companies - Awesome Lisp Companies
coalton - Coalton is an efficient, statically typed functional programming language that supercharges Common Lisp.
cl-str - Modern, simple and consistent Common Lisp string manipulation library.
Smalltalk - By the Bluebook implementation of Smalltalk-80
april - The APL programming language (a subset thereof) compiling to Common Lisp.
ocaml - The core OCaml system: compilers, runtime system, base libraries
tao-theme-emacs - tao-theme - two uncoloured color themes for EMACS
Petalisp - Elegant High Performance Computing
kandria - A post-apocalyptic actionRPG. Now on Steam!
clog - CLOG - The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI