Crow VS Seastar

I'm investigating using C++ to build a REST server, and would love to know of people's experiences with Crow-- or whether they would recommend something else as a "medium-level" abstraction C++ web server. As background, I started off experimenting with Python/FastAPI, which is great, but there is too much friction to translate from pybind11-exported C++ objects to the format that FastAPI expects, and, of course, there are inherent performance limitations using Python, which could impact scaling up if the project were to be successful.

How about Crow?

https://github.com/CrowCpp/Crow is super easy to use

I recommend Crow, it's a web framework that supports HTTP and Websockets. It's a bit larger than being only there to just let you compose or decode a packet. But I'm pretty sure everything you mentioned is there already :)

It's also very useful to get to grips with using some popular libraries. Some might be ones that you'll find yourself using everywhere (e.g. fmt, spdlog, catch2), and some that have more specific usage, but are good to try out and explore what C++ can do in a ridiculously easy-to-use manner (e.g. crow, Dear ImGui). Make some toy projects that use some of these and you'll learn a lot.

I've been working on Crow for quite a while now, it's a pretty cool framework IMO.

Crow

You can also consider https://crowcpp.org/.

I used glommio as the async executor (instead of something like tokio), and it is wonderful. For people wondering whether it's "good enough" or to use C++ and seastar (as I have thought about a lot before starting this project), take the leap of faith, it's fast - both in terms of run time and to code.

b) It's proven now e.g Seastar, Glommio that the fastest way to run a multi-threaded application is to have one instance with one thread pinned per CPU core. Then to have fibers/lightweight threads on top handling all of the asynchronous code. Your approach of lots of instances is the slowest so there will be a ton of unnecessary thread context-switching.

The most common example is DPDK [1]. It's a framework for building bespoke networking stacks that are usable from userspace, without involving the kernel.

You'll find DPDK mentioned a lot in the networking/HPC/data center literature. An example of a backend framework that uses DPDK is the seastar framework [2]. Also, I recently stumbled upon a paper for efficient RPC networks in data centers [3].

If you want to learn more, the p99 conference by ScyllaDB has tons of speakers talking about some interesting challenges.

[1] https://www.dpdk.org/.

[2] https://github.com/scylladb/seastar

[3] https://github.com/erpc-io/eRPC

I assume Tokio itself, see e.g monoio or glommio, but also Seastar for C++.

https://core.dpdk.org/supported/ lists supported nics. You're best just reading material from the dpdk website for figuring out roughly what it is. It is used for a lot of different goals. For most web C++ stuff it's mainly used because you can avoid round trips of data passing through the kernel and can reference network data without tons of copying. For an example check out the SeaStar framework, https://seastar.io/, which is under the hood of ScyllaDB.

As this is a Kafka sub, this may be a good opportunity to mention that Redpanda is based on the same framework (seastar) as Scylla. The idea of sharding work to CPU cores turns out to apply very well to the Kafka data model, too!

Seastar which is a thread per core runtime written by the Scylla devs thats used in both Redpanda and Scylla as the underlying runtime. https://github.com/scylladb/seastar

ScyllaDB is, ironically, maybe one of the worst examples the author could have come up with for "abstraction" in the article.

If folks aren't familiar with their work/internal tech, go check out some of their repos like Seastar. They have some of the most talented systems programmers on the planet writing thin veneers over kernel and hardware API's to squeeze every ounce out of performance.

https://github.com/scylladb/seastar

I know it's beside the point, but I just had to share because I thought that was funny

I’ve seen frameworks for c++ (https://seastar.io/) and rust (https://github.com/actix/actix) which support what you’re describing out of the box.

If you're interested in scaling and asynchronous programming in c++ I highly recommend you investigate the SeaStar application framework. You wouldn't build a web service with SeaStar, rather you would build the infrastructure that you would use to build the web service on top of. https://github.com/scylladb/seastar